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Old 01-16-2013, 08:27 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Good point. Whether there are 800 or 30,000 is really immaterial. There should be one and only one -- the Church Jesus Christ personally established.
Oh come on .... then why always do I have it stated if it's a fictious number.

By the way, Jesus did....... it never left.
Matthew 24:35 KJV
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Matthew 28:20 KJV I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

John 20:31
But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God,
and that by believing you may have life in his name.

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Old 01-16-2013, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Oh come on .... then why always do I have it stated if it's a fictious number.

By the way, Jesus did....... it never left.
It's the Catholic Church then, right?
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:14 AM
 
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Most of what I listed are the major arguments now between churches now and if i multiplied them by each other i couldnt come up with more than 4-500, so i guess if there is 40,000 now, they must argue over the color of the carpets and other petty items.
Simple example would be the Ana-Baptists who split over when Baptism should occur, at what age of accountability...They split into Amish and Mennonite...And if I remember correctly, there exists differences even between each one them...
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Pilot Point, TX
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Law vs Grace (and hybrids) is a huge issue of division.
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:32 AM
 
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Found this one

http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/a106.htmi

Never mind 30,000 denominations walk into any congregation and you will find that they are not 100% in agreement.
link is broken. I'd love to see a list of those 30k denominations.
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:40 AM
 
Location: New England
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The Facts and Stats on 33000 Denominations: World Christian Encyclopedia (2001, 2nd edition) PhilVaz Phil Philip Phillip Porvaznik
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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Good point. Whether there are 800 or 30,000 is really immaterial. There should be one and only one -- the Church Jesus Christ personally established.
The trouble with that is (since we do not now have nor have we ever had any original autographs) no one can know exactly what that even was. There were clear agendas at play in the centuries following...texts were manipulated. Better to go WITHIN as Jesus told us to than to constantly speculate about ancient texts written by men. Just saying...
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:45 AM
 
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It's the Catholic Church then, right?
The Roman church system was not started until about 300 AD.
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:57 AM
 
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The trouble with that is (since we do not now have nor have we ever had any original autographs) no one can know exactly what that even was. There were clear agendas at play in the centuries following...texts were manipulated. Better to go WITHIN as Jesus told us to than to constantly speculate about ancient texts written by men. Just saying...
Do you have ANY documentation whatsoever to suggest that? I've seen you post that stuff before. There is no evidence at all to suggest that we have anything but 99.9% of what the original texts were.

Jesus founded the church at Pentecost. We have the writings of its earliest leaders in the Bible. The fact that you may disagree with them doesn't mean it's not true.

What if my "within" disagrees with what is "within" you? Then what?
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Old 01-17-2013, 08:05 AM
 
Location: In the ♥ of the DIXIE!
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Do you have ANY documentation whatsoever to suggest that? I've seen you post that stuff before. There is no evidence at all to suggest that we have anything but 99.9% of what the original texts were.

Jesus founded the church at Pentecost. We have the writings of its earliest leaders in the Bible. The fact that you may disagree with them doesn't mean it's not true.

What if my "within" disagrees with what is "within" you? Then what?
I agree with you on scripture. But you must remember that the goal is to get people to distrust God's word so they can then teach something different. It's the same thing that started in the Garden. "Hath God said?"
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