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Really, we don't know if God created Jesus..IMO I believe that somewhere in the infinity of time and space that God somehow did create, make or whatever (we don't understand )a separate person, spirit or being to do His work.
This is essentially my understanding, too, Miss Blue. The Bible says that Jesus (the Word) was with God in the beginning, so He clearly existed at that time. But we have to remember that the Bible only tells us what happened from the beginning forward. If God existed prior to "the beginning," (as I believe He did), then maybe it was before "the beginning," before the clock started ticking, so to speak, that God created the perfect, godly Spirit that would ultimately be born as His Only Begotten Son. The thing is, the Bible is silent on the matter.
This is essentially my understanding, too, Miss Blue. The Bible says that Jesus (the Word) was with God in the beginning, so He clearly existed at that time. But we have to remember that the Bible only tells us what happened from the beginning forward. If God existed prior to "the beginning," (as I believe He did), then maybe it was before "the beginning," before the clock started ticking, so to speak, that God created the perfect, godly Spirit that would ultimately be born as His Only Begotten Son. The thing is, the Bible is silent on the matter.
Actually, it isn't.
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
This is essentially my understanding, too, Miss Blue. The Bible says that Jesus (the Word) was with God in the beginning, so He clearly existed at that time. But we have to remember that the Bible only tells us what happened from the beginning forward. If God existed prior to "the beginning," (as I believe He did), then maybe it was before "the beginning," before the clock started ticking, so to speak, that God created the perfect, godly Spirit that would ultimately be born as His Only Begotten Son. The thing is, the Bible is silent on the matter.
The Word existed in the forming of the earth... God spoke and it came into being. However, the word became flesh and flesh is created. The only way for Jesus not to be created is if he wasn't even a man... yet we know there are admonishing passages saying that to deny Jesus is man is antichrist.
The Word existed in the forming of the earth... God spoke and it came into being. However, the word became flesh and flesh is created. The only way for Jesus not to be created is if he wasn't even a man... yet we know there are admonishing passages saying that to deny Jesus is man is antichrist.
I'm not 100% sure I'm following you, kat, but you seem to be speaking strictly of a physical creation. I believe that Jesus existed as a spirit being prior to His mortality. If I'm right about that, then we have a spritual creation prior to a physical creation. The Bible starts with a discussion of the physical creation. I'm thinking in terms of something that may have taken place before the events described in Genesis unfolded.
I'm not 100% sure I'm following you, kat, but you seem to be speaking strictly of a physical creation. I believe that Jesus existed as a spirit being prior to His mortality. If I'm right about that, then we have a spritual creation prior to a physical creation. The Bible starts with a discussion of the physical creation. I'm thinking in terms of something that may have taken place before the events described in Genesis unfolded.
If spirits are eternal then we all existed as spirits before we were born. If all spirits (people) were created within the 6 days then having a spirit in existence cannot set Jesus apart. The fact that Jesus was flesh and blood means he was created.
If all spirits came into being before the Genesis events then who created God, the Great Spirit (for lack of a better term)?
I believe all spirits came from the Great Spirit. Yours, mine, Jesus'. Some believe that we only receive a spirit when we become 'born again.'
Yet I think our spirit returns to the Great Spirit at death. Our bodies are our anchors to the earth.
That was probably too much information so I will sum up:
If your spirit is eternal then it must be included in those made at the time Jesus' was. But then do you believe that we receive a spirit upon conversion? Or is there something else altogether behind John 1?
I'm sorry... my mind works in word pictures and analogies....
Huh? I don't think we're on the same page, Hot. I believe "Let there be light" refers to the physical creation of our universe and not on Jesus.
The Kingdom of Jesus Christ was created first. The kingdom of darkness was second, but almost instantly behind ther Light. In order for there to be a Kingdom, there must be a King. God, personally held this reign as King, until the Son appeared, and He declared His Begotten Son, and handed Him all authority.
You were created also in the same period of creation. You just didn't have the flesh to dwell in yet. It wasn't formed in the womb.
God is done creating. Right?
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