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Old 07-19-2008, 11:13 PM
 
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No matter how we slice it, Love conquers sin and death.
And although man might not have known it back then, we know it now.
Amen. Thanks for sharing, Oakback. God bless.
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Old 07-19-2008, 11:15 PM
 
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If I make a vase that will not break when dropped, then I drop it to prove that it does not break, me dropping it does not mean that it has the capacity to break. But it will prove to those witnessing it that it does not break.
Good analogy, Meerkat. I haven't thought about it like that. God bless.
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Old 02-22-2009, 05:50 AM
 
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Old 02-22-2009, 05:58 AM
 
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The book of (genesis 1:26) specifically tells us that god "let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and all the earth...." The definition of the word dominion, which is french in origin, means to possess supreme authority over something. One cannot be supreme and have authority over anything it cannot do itself. So, by mere inference, Adam was god-like in stature. He had the ability to swim faster than any fish, run faster than the fastest land animal, and yes fly farther and faster than any bird.
The fall of Lucifer surprisingly comes to light when god reveals to him that their is a being on the earth that is greater, in Gods eyes . than any other creation. Lucifer and his defeated entourage is casted out of the heavens and wages war on gods most celebrated being, vowing to have Adam curse the name of God or kill him trying. So ,you can take great comfort in dismissing the idea that Adam simply woke up one day and just chose "freely" to defy the almighty. He waged a war, for god knows how long, with fallen angelic beings which he ultimately lost when sin entered the world through the flesh. Peace!

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Old 02-22-2009, 05:59 AM
 
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Adam was created innocent and God required him to become spiritual by sacrificing the natural for the spiritual. It was not sin for him to desire knowledge but it was sin for him to desire the knowledge that God was denying him. In order for man to be perfected he had to fall.
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Old 02-22-2009, 08:12 AM
 
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Adam & Eve were created perfect and holy, so much so that God could come down to walk with them. God put complete trust in them, and that is real love. He had no idea that they would willfully sin against Him. He could have known, but He did not look down the prism of time to see what they would do.

(Genesis 6:5-6) And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

If God already knew what they would do, then why would he repent of it and be grieved at His heart?

(Isaiah 1:18) Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD...
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Old 02-22-2009, 08:21 AM
 
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Adam & Eve were created perfect and holy, so much so that God could come down to walk with them. God put complete trust in them, and that is real love. He had no idea that they would willfully sin against Him. He could have known, but He did not look down the prism of time to see what they would do.
Hi, if Adam and Eve were created perfect and holy, then how would they make the choice to sin? They would have known better because they would have been perfect and holy. They would not have made that choice to sin, even when tempted to sin. Jesus was perfect and holy and never sinned, never went against the Father's will. If sin entered into the creation without God's knowledge, then the creation was faulty. How could sin have entered a perfect creation? Does God make mistakes? God does not make mistakes. He never fails.

If God had no idea that they would sin, then He does not see beginning to end. Something then happened in the creation without His knowledge and the same thing could happen again. How could we trust Him? If Jesus was slain from the foundation of the world, then God knew what was going to happen. Jesus gave His life for all men, including Adam. He knew that we would become sinners, and that Adam would become a sinner.


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Genesis 6:5-6) And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.


This is an example of God condescending to man to speak to us on our level. God knew that mankind would sin because Jesus was slain from the foundation of the world.

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The figure of speech used in the two records noted at the beginning of this study is called in Latin condescensio from which we get our English word condescension. Whenever the Word of God attributes human characteristics to God, thus bringing God down to the level of man, the figure of speech used is condescensio. In the Hebrew this figure is derech benai adam which means "ways of the sons of men." In the Greek it is anthropopatheia which means "the pathos of men." God's Word uses this figure to put emphasis on God. Sometimes God is brought down to the level of men and given human characteristics. Sometimes He is likened to an animal such as an eagle with wings. Sometimes He is likened to a plant or tree. And sometimes God is likened to an inanimate object - (God is a rock or fortress). In each of these cases the Word of God is bringing God down to the level of man's experience to put emphasis on God.
http://www.gtft.org/Library/miscellaneous/FiguresOfSpeechCondescension.htm (broken link)

God bless.

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Old 02-22-2009, 08:45 AM
 
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"Hi, if Adam and Eve were created perfect and holy, then how would they make the choice to sin?"

How can you say you love God if you have no choice to the alternative? You would be a robot. Adam & Eve had a choice, and we have a choice today. We all have the choice to love and obey God or reach out for the forbidden fruit of sin, which is of the devil; it's a choice.
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Old 02-22-2009, 08:51 AM
 
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I am sharing, scgraham that I believe that if Adam and Eve were created perfect and holy, then they would have made the right choice. They would not have chosen the alternative. They would not have chosen to sin against God. Jesus always made the right choice, even when tempted. He knew better and they would have known better. They woud not have succumbed to the temptation. This does not mean that they would have been robots if they had made the right choices. Jesus was not a robot. I do believe that Adam and Even were created perfect for God's plan. And I believe that there was a purpose for what happened. God bless.

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