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Old 03-04-2013, 05:32 AM
 
Location: New England
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The question has been answered more than once. You composed the argument, but the Bible does not spell out what you say. When it talks about filthy rags, it says what I told you it says in context, it does not spell out your version of it, which you are trying to insert into my mouth.

The Bible says this:

Heb 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

Why don't you ask yourself what THAT means.

If an unbeliever donates $1000 to charity, the verse does not say God sees it as filty rags, but it does say such deeds by unbelievers do not please God. What pleases God is deeds done to glorify God.
Your understanding of God is warped. If only you understood behind everything that is good,there's God,whether its by a Christian or not. If anyone made a generous gift it glorifies God,for he created all that is good.


When Gentiles who have not the [divine] Law do instinctively what the Law requires, they are a law to themselves, since they do not have the Law. Romans 2:14
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Your understanding of God is warped. If only you understood behind everything that is good,there's God,whether its by a Christian or not. If anyone made a generous gift it glorifies God,for he created all that is good.
Your understanding contradicts the Bible.

Heb 11:6 Without faith it is impossible to please God.

Romans 8:7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God

Romans 8:8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God

Your view is the view of a legalist, and you need to understand that your works will not save you, no matter how generous you think they are.
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:11 AM
 
Location: New England
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Your understanding contradicts the Bible.

Heb 11:6 Without faith it is impossible to please God.

Romans 8:7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God

Romans 8:8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God

Your view is the view of a legalist, and you need to understand that your works will not save you, no matter how generous you think they are.
Most folk when they do good, do not do it with the mind set of an evangelical. They are not thinking about pleasing anyone or appeasing anyone. What is hostile towards God and cannot please Him, is the religious mind set. The mind set that sees no good in anyone,that sees the good that others do as filthy rags and looks down upon those who do not believe,because they cannot look beyond the sin they see in others,just like they believe God cannot. We are the God we believe in.
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:30 AM
 
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Most folk when they do good, do not do it with the mind set of an evangelical. They are not thinking about pleasing anyone or appeasing anyone. What is hostile towards God and cannot please Him, is the religious mind set. The mind set that sees no good in anyone,that sees the good that others do as filthy rags and looks down upon those who do not believe,because they cannot look beyond the sin they see in others,just like they believe God cannot. We are the God we believe in.
It is not a matter of thinking about it, either your works please God or they don't, the Bible makes it clear that they sometimes do not. It is that simple. You can spend your days trying to remotely psycho-analyze those evil evangelicals and conclude they are have the wrong mindset, but all you manage to do is expose your own judgmental mindset. Tsk, tsk.....
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:43 AM
 
Location: New England
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It is not a matter of thinking about it, either your works please God or they don't, the Bible makes it clear that they sometimes do not. It is that simple. You can spend your days trying to remotely psycho-analyze those evil evangelicals and conclude they are have the wrong mindset, but all you manage to do is expose your own judgmental mindset. Tsk, tsk.....
Your filthy rags opinion of the world says everything. To think that only a Christian who does good is acceptable to God says everything too. There is none good but God, so when you see good you see God. I know how difficult that is for you to comprehend,when you believe that the only good in the world is in Christianity,how possibly can those unbelieving sinners of the world do or sow anything good?.
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Your filthy rags opinion of the world says everything. To think that only a Christian who does good is acceptable to God says everything too. There is none good but God, so when you see good you see God. I know how difficult that is for you to comprehend,when you believe that the only good in the world is in Christianity,how possibly can those unbelieving sinners of the world do or sow anything good?.
You keep composing sentences and then claiming they are my beliefs. Why? It is very dishonest. It also ends the conversation. Have a nice day.
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Old 03-04-2013, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Your filthy rags opinion of the world says everything. To think that only a Christian who does good is acceptable to God says everything too. There is none good but God, so when you see good you see God. I know how difficult that is for you to comprehend,when you believe that the only good in the world is in Christianity,how possibly can those unbelieving sinners of the world do or sow anything good?.
Well, they can do good, from a human perspective but that goodness is not acceptable to God because of universal human corruption.

God is gracious and His grace is displayed both gererally and specially. The general grace of God is sen all of the time in things the people of the world do. However these doing gain nomerit for the doer in God's eyes. The special Grace of God is reserved for His elect. This special grace is s different thing altogether. This grace takes a sinner and makes him into something different. A new creation IN CHRIST JESUS. Now the righteousness of Cheist is APPLIED to that person and they become acceptable to this Holy God who can not abide sin.

This is the Christianity of the bible. If you reject it you do so at your own peril.
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Old 03-04-2013, 09:17 AM
 
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Well, they can do good, from a human perspective but that goodness is not acceptable to God because of universal human corruption.

God is gracious and His grace is displayed both gererally and specially. The general grace of God is sen all of the time in things the people of the world do. However these doing gain nomerit for the doer in God's eyes. The special Grace of God is reserved for His elect. This special grace is s different thing altogether. This grace takes a sinner and makes him into something different. A new creation IN CHRIST JESUS. Now the righteousness of Cheist is APPLIED to that person and they become acceptable to this Holy God who can not abide sin.

This is the Christianity of the bible. If you reject it you do so at your own peril.
There is only one kind of Good...........God. If you see good you are seeing God. He is the creator of all that is good,whether you agree with it or not.

There is nothing more arrogant sounding than claiming because you're a Christian the good you do is pleasing to God, and the good that those you consider unbelievers is not.

You would do well to understand that not everyone is out to appease and please God by being good.
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Old 03-04-2013, 09:23 AM
 
Location: New England
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If an unbeliever donates $1000 to charity, the verse does not say God sees it as filty rags, but it does say such deeds by unbelievers do not please God. What pleases God is deeds done to glorify God.
So an unbeliever and believer both give $1000 to a charity, the believers gift of $1000 pleases God and the unbelievers gift of $1000 doesn't ?.

How do you make your $1000 more pleasing to God ?.
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Old 03-04-2013, 09:37 AM
 
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So an unbeliever and believer both give $1000 to a charity, the believers gift of $1000 pleases God and the unbelievers gift of $1000 doesn't ?.
How do you make your $1000 more pleasing to God ?.
Anyone can be a neighborly good Samaritan. The point of Jesus illustration was that we should all widen out in our love for others including strangers.

If someone that is Not following Jesus doing the work of Matthew 24 v 14; Luke 4 v 43 ?
So, isn't there more involved that just doing good physical/material works but not doing spiritual works ?
In order to please God we all need to repent [ 2nd Peter 3 v 9 ]
An unrepentant gangster can give to charity, but does his criminal behavior please God ?
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