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Old 10-24-2007, 05:17 PM
 
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Well, in some instances the "ten commandments" were expanded on... for example, we shouldn't bow down to a literal idol, but that has to do with our worship.. we still shouldn't bow down to anything but God.. our work, our family, peer pressure, the almighty dollar, etc. The old law wasn't abolished, but fulfilled. Big difference.
Thanks cg1...
For your patience; there's a lot for me to learn here, and you have a way of
putting your thoughts in words so gentle.
I feel the Holy Spirit within your persona
God Bless
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Old 10-24-2007, 05:18 PM
 
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Legalism to me is only obeying the letter of the law and not looking into the situation:
Like amputating a leg from a patient while he came in for heart surgery.
Although the amputation was a 100% successful and completely by the book, it was not applied on the right patient.

It is the same with the law and justice.
Although you may have the law on your side (being lawful), it doesn't mean that you are right (are being just).
- Stealing is wrong, but if a person tried everything else but still can't get enough money to buy food I'd turn a blind eye if he stole some.
- During WWII the Dutch people were required by law to report all the Jews to the Nazis. Although they broke the law some people did not report Jews and gave them shelter anyway.
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Old 10-24-2007, 05:20 PM
 
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So does this mean that we don't have to keep the ten commandments anymore;
And those who are concerned with them being taken out of our schools are Legalistic?
Just asking you to help me understand..
I love you guys!!!
Absolutely not.

I do not see the connection with those trying to remove them from the schools with this topic. You will have to elaborate on that aspect.

If you look at my attempt to define my concept of it and the definition offered by WCRob, one is an attempt to redefine things by playing with words and the other is a methodology of substituting procedure for God.

It is theoretically possible to follow the strict letter of the rules and never understand the game being played. While the perfect adherence of those rule might permit you to accomplish many of the goals of the game, how can you ever master the game itself? Many of us follow the rules of our church and never comprehend why those rules exist. Others see these rules as the religion itself and never see beyond those rules to their source.

It is probably that a great many traditional Jewish scholars have spent their entire lives trying to comprehend the law and not thinking why the law was established. Other than a means to an end, what was it's purpose. There is a reason for law beyond the law itself and a failure to see that is one definition of legalism. The modern Christian's propensity to rely on Christ's salvation rather than to learn and follow God's will is another type of legalism where we forsake the law and trust the dogma without understanding the intent.

A proper approach is a bit of both, in my opinion at least.
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Old 10-24-2007, 05:24 PM
 
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This was mentioned recently on another thread, and I thought we might could talk about it specifically. What in your mind defines "legalism?" I guess the kaykay definition would go something like this --"legalism is striving to obey the letter of the law rather than the spirit or intent of the law." Does that make sense? I'm just kinda thinking out loud this afternoon. When does attempting to be righteous fall into "legalism?" Thoughts???
kaykay is this "Legalism theology? you're asking about?
Wikipedia.com has this
Legalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 10-24-2007, 05:29 PM
 
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Absolutely not.

I do not see the connection with those trying to remove them from the schools with this topic. You will have to elaborate on that aspect.

If you look at my attempt to define my concept of it and the definition offered by WCRob, one is an attempt to redefine things by playing with words and the other is a methodology of substituting procedure for God.

It is theoretically possible to follow the strict letter of the rules and never understand the game being played. While the perfect adherence of those rule might permit you to accomplish many of the goals of the game, how can you ever master the game itself? Many of us follow the rules of our church and never comprehend why those rules exist. Others see these rules as the religion itself and never see beyond those rules to their source.

It is probably that a great many traditional Jewish scholars have spent their entire lives trying to comprehend the law and not thinking why the law was established. Other than a means to an end, what was it's purpose. There is a reason for law beyond the law itself and a failure to see that is one definition of legalism. The modern Christian's propensity to rely on Christ's salvation rather than to learn and follow God's will is another type of legalism where we forsake the law and trust the dogma without understanding the intent.

A proper approach is a bit of both, in my opinion at least.
So I'm safe to say since I'm born again and have accepted Christ into my heart, after confessing and repenting of my sins, and believe in the atonement (blood of Jesus) and that He sent a Comforter which is the Holy Spirit then I'm on the right track ?
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Old 10-24-2007, 05:35 PM
 
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So I'm safe to say since I'm born again and have accepted Christ into my heart, after confessing and repenting of my sins, and believe in the atonement (blood of Jesus) and that He sent a Comforter which is the Holy Spirit then I'm on the right track ?
Oh I read that Legalism (theology) is pride, and believing the letter of the law over the Holy Spirit; I don't agree with doing this;
My pastor hates Legalism too. Now I can see some of the reasons why; after reading the definitions;
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Old 10-24-2007, 05:41 PM
 
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I think to basically sum it up, legalism is when you embrace and/or promote a specific set of rules or actions in an attempt to seek justification. I may have to explain that more later. Gotta go for now.
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Old 10-24-2007, 05:52 PM
 
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The intent of the law was never to save man. It was given as a revelation of the pre-existing law of God. Paul tells us that sin exists solely by the presence of the law. Any transgression of God's law demands adjudication. The penalty is death. Any attempts to be justified by the law are futile, no man has lived his life without a single transgression, save for one.

The problem of legalism is that it places conditions upon the saint for justification that God Himself does not require. Examples of this are given of the Pharisaical laws that encumbered the people in Christ's day. That isn't to say we are to do away with the law, as it gives us knowledge of the Mind of God. It isn't to say we can willfully transgress His law. We have been given freedom in His grace, but we must be mindful of sinning against Him.
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Old 10-24-2007, 05:58 PM
 
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I would define legalism as adding anything to Scripture that isn't already there—e.g. extra rules, traditions, prohibitions, etc.

Such things only stand in the way of a genuine relationship with God.
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Old 10-25-2007, 06:44 AM
 
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This was mentioned recently on another thread, and I thought we might could talk about it specifically. What in your mind defines "legalism?" I guess the kaykay definition would go something like this --"legalism is striving to obey the letter of the law rather than the spirit or intent of the law." Does that make sense? I'm just kinda thinking out loud this afternoon. When does attempting to be righteous fall into "legalism?" Thoughts???
I'll agree with you on that one. Look at all the posts we have that start out..... "Is it a sin to _______?" (you fill in the blank) Or "Can you be a Christian and ________?" It's worry, worry, worry!

Dot every 'I' and cross every 'T', it's gagging at a gnat and swallowing a camel. They forget the goal and make the road unpleasant to travel. Christianity can be a good, enjoyable way to live. Legalism can make it an ordeal.
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