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Old 03-06-2013, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Rivendell
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I started thinking about this on another thread in the R&S forum, so I thought I would bring it up here.

I am not a troll! I am seriously hoping to have a polite conversation.

But I am an atheist. I was raised in a non-religious household.
I had plenty of Christian neighbors, so I was not unfamiliar with the message.

I think there are some appealing aspects of Christianity, especially the part about people getting justice, good or bad, at the end of their lives. Sometimes the cruelty and unfairness of life saddens me.

I am a good person, and I don't believe I am a sinner. So, I don't feel I need any forgiveness.

I have had some very difficult times in my life that I have overcome without any higher power.

I am already in my early fifties, and I am living the best most fulfilling life I can.

If I don't want to live forever, what would Christianity have to offer someone like me?
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Old 03-06-2013, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Whereever we have our RV parked
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Maybe first you could elaborate on why you don't want to live forever? We naturally hold on to life all we can. Yes, a small percentage end their lives early, but usually because they are in so much pain, they believe at least the pain and suffering will stop.
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Old 03-06-2013, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Rivendell
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I feel that having eternal life would cheapen the life I have in the here and now.
I also have heard so many different things about what one would do with their eternal life that I am afraid I would not like it.
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Old 03-06-2013, 09:52 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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If I don't want to live forever, what would Christianity have to offer someone like me?
The truth.
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Old 03-06-2013, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Up above the world so high!
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I started thinking about this on another thread in the R&S forum, so I thought I would bring it up here.

I am not a troll! I am seriously hoping to have a polite conversation.

But I am an atheist. I was raised in a non-religious household.
I had plenty of Christian neighbors, so I was not unfamiliar with the message.

I think there are some appealing aspects of Christianity, especially the part about people getting justice, good or bad, at the end of their lives. Sometimes the cruelty and unfairness of life saddens me.

I am a good person, and I don't believe I am a sinner. So, I don't feel I need any forgiveness.

I have had some very difficult times in my life that I have overcome without any higher power.

I am already in my early fifties, and I am living the best most fulfilling life I can.

If I don't want to live forever, what would Christianity have to offer someone like me?


How about this... are you a parent? Are you happily married by any chance?
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Old 03-06-2013, 10:58 PM
 
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I started thinking about this on another thread in the R&S forum, so I thought I would bring it up here.

I am not a troll! I am seriously hoping to have a polite conversation.

But I am an atheist. I was raised in a non-religious household.
I had plenty of Christian neighbors, so I was not unfamiliar with the message.

I think there are some appealing aspects of Christianity, especially the part about people getting justice, good or bad, at the end of their lives. Sometimes the cruelty and unfairness of life saddens me.

I am a good person, and I don't believe I am a sinner. So, I don't feel I need any forgiveness.

I have had some very difficult times in my life that I have overcome without any higher power.

I am already in my early fifties, and I am living the best most fulfilling life I can.

If I don't want to live forever, what would Christianity have to offer someone like me?
You're going to, either way. Either in heaven or hell.

I can guarantee you can't pass a "good person test", though. God's standard is perfection. If you've ever lied, stolen, gotten angry unjustly, lusted, used his name in vain....you've sinned. You're going to go to hell w/out Jesus.
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Old 03-07-2013, 12:30 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I feel that having eternal life would cheapen the life I have in the here and now.
I also have heard so many different things about what one would do with their eternal life that I am afraid I would not like it.
What if you knew eternal life would be an experience of being a sentient being who could see and hear, touch, and smell all the beautiful things that we see here in the natural world, but without the accompanying decay, sorrow, injustice, struggle to survive and power of death and you were free to move about wherever you wanted at will and you felt intense love inside, you both felt loved and you also loved every other being who was present with you. And with that you also felt intense joy. Why would you not want to exist in a state like that? I've heard some describe heaven as an earth-like paradise where your thoughts are able to transform you from place to place in endless realms of the glories of God's Creation. I can't see why anyone would not want to exist in such a place. What if you could even go to sleep and be unconscious in a place like that if it was your desire? What's not to like? How would this cheapen your current existence?
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Old 03-07-2013, 12:34 AM
 
Location: Florida
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You're going to, either way. Either in heaven or hell.

I can guarantee you can't pass a "good person test", though. God's standard is perfection. If you've ever lied, stolen, gotten angry unjustly, lusted, used his name in vain....you've sinned. You're going to go to hell w/out Jesus.
Do you really need to threaten people with hell? She doesn't believe - did you not understand that. She wanted a reason why anyone would want to live forever, not a sermon on the threat of hell. Vizio - hell is a state of being - for instance if someone kidnapped you suddenly and put you in a dungeon and tortured you for years and years (this sort of evil happens to people) then that would be HELL right here on earth. Hell can descend into your life without warning for no apparent reason (you do believe the story of Job, right)?
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Old 03-07-2013, 03:32 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Sizzly Friddle View Post
I started thinking about this on another thread in the R&S forum, so I thought I would bring it up here.

I am not a troll! I am seriously hoping to have a polite conversation.

But I am an atheist. I was raised in a non-religious household.
I had plenty of Christian neighbors, so I was not unfamiliar with the message.

I think there are some appealing aspects of Christianity, especially the part about people getting justice, good or bad, at the end of their lives. Sometimes the cruelty and unfairness of life saddens me.

I am a good person, and I don't believe I am a sinner. So, I don't feel I need any forgiveness.

I have had some very difficult times in my life that I have overcome without any higher power.

I am already in my early fifties, and I am living the best most fulfilling life I can.

If I don't want to live forever, what would Christianity have to offer someone like me?
Have you ever told a lie?
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Old 03-07-2013, 04:36 AM
 
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You're going to, either way. Either in heaven or hell.
I can guarantee you can't pass a "good person test", though. God's standard is perfection. If you've ever lied, stolen, gotten angry unjustly, lusted, used his name in vain....you've sinned. You're going to go to hell w/out Jesus.
What does Romans [ 6 v 7 ] say about those who have died ?

Who did Jesus 'go to hell' with ?_________ Acts 2 vs 27,31
Jesus did Not threaten anyone with a non-biblical permanent religious-myth burning forever hell.
Acts [ 24 v 15 ] mentions there 'is going to be' [future tense] a resurrection of both the righteous and unrighteous.
Those not resurrected are destroyed ones not burning-forever ones.-Psalm 92 v 7

NO one who lived before Jesus will go to heaven [John 3 v 13 ] because the way to heavenly life was Not offered before Christ. No one mentioned at Hebrews chapter 11 went to heaven. They did Not see the promise [ Heb. 11 vs 13,39 ]
meaning the promise of being resurrected back to life Not in Heaven, Not in Hell, but back to life on Earth. Life on a paradisaic Earth during Jesus 1000-year reign over Earth.- Psalm 72 vs 8, 12-14.; 2nd Peter 3 v 13.
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