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Old 03-23-2013, 03:23 PM
 
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"For ever" "Everlasting" and "Eternal" are not proper words to translate AIWN or AIWNION.

God is not the everlasting God. He does not last for an ever or for an age. When the ages end, God will continue to exist.

Punishment may be said to be everlasting as long as you understand the punishment lasts for an ever or age. But still, when people read "everlasting" they automatically think "eternal." But punishment cannot be eternal. If it were eternal it would not be punishment but irremediable torture. God is not in the torture business.

The Bible shows there are five eons/ages.
We are in the third "present wicked eon/age" (Galatians 1:4). Your Bible might say "present wicked world." If it does, cross out the word "world" and replace it with eon or age. In Greek, kosmos is "World," and aion is eon or age.

No aion is eternal. They Bible says they all end. In Matthew 24:3 the disciples asked the Lord: "And what is the sign of Thy presence and of the conclusion of the eon?" Again, your translation might have "end of the world?" But kosmos is world. It should be "eon" or "age" here. Cross out "world" and put in eon or age. So this eon or age is going to end.

There were eons/ages in the past:
1Co_2:7 but we are speaking God's wisdom in a secret, wisdom which has been concealed, which God designates before - before the eons, for our glory,

The two eons before this present wicked eon was Genesis 1:1-1:2 when the earth became chaos and vacant and the other eon was from Genesis 1:2 to the flood when the earth was wrecked by the world-wide flood.

There are eons to come after this eon/age ends: Eph_2:7 that, in the oncoming eons, He should be displaying the transcendent riches of His grace in His kindness to us in Christ Jesus." Every translation I have translates "aion" here as "ages" instead of "world" since it would be silly that there are "worlds to come."

The two final eons to come are the thousand year eon and the new earth eon.

Every eon/age ends with an earth shattering cataclysm.
The first eon of Genesis 1:1 to 1:2 ended with the earth shattering cataclysm where "the earth became chaos and vacant."
The second eon ended with the world-wide cataclysmic event of the world-wide flood in Noah's day.
The third eon, the eon in which we live will end with an earth-shattering earthquake: (see Revelation 16:19).
The 4th eon ends with the cataclysmic earth-wide conflagration by fire 2 Peter 3:10.
The 5th and final eon ends but we are not told how it will end. We are just told that the eons will end (1 Cor.10:11; Heb.9:26 (KJV improperly has "ends of the world" and "end of the world," but aion is plural here and is not "kosmos", all of the eons/ages end.

All punishment occurs within the eons/ages.

AIWNION is the adjective of AIWN and cannot possibly be greater than aion. Therefore any punishment said to be "eternal" or "everlasting" is improper since the word behind those words is AIWNION. It just has the duty of informing us of that which pertains to the eons.

Just as Heaven is a noun and Heavenly is the adjective derived from its noun, it cannot be greater than heaven.
Just as America is a noun and American is the adjective derived from its noun, it cannot be greater than America.
Just as Eon is a noun and Eonian is the adjective derived from its noun, it cannot be greater than Eon.

Therefore all punishment said to be eonian is pertaining to the eon or eons as the case may be.
All life said to be eonian is also pertaining to the eon or eons.

For instance we are told this: Mar_10:30 who should not be getting back a hundredfold now, in this era, houses and brothers and sisters and mother and father and children and fields, with persecutions, and in the coming eon, life eonian." In the coming 1000 year long eon we will have life pertaining to that eon.

When the eons all end, all punishments end, death ends, all sovereignty, authority and power end, Christ quits reigning and God is All in all, not All in some.

The entire creation is going to come into the glorious freedom of the children of God (Romans 8).

 
Old 03-23-2013, 03:47 PM
 
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Absolutely!!!
 
Old 03-23-2013, 03:51 PM
 
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John 6:47, "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal (aionion) life.


John 10:28, "and I give eternal (aionion) life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out of My hand."

Acts 13:48, "And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal (aionion) life believed."

Romans 2:7, " to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal (aionion) life."

Romans 5:21, "that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal (aionion) life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Rom. 16:26, " but now is manifested, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal (aionion) God, has been made known to all the nations, leading to obedience of faith."

Gal. 6:8, "For the one who sows to his own flesh shall from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit shall from the Spirit reap eternal (aionion) life."

1 Tim. 6:16, "who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light; whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal (aionion) dominion! Amen."

1 John 1:2, "and the life was manifested, and we have seen and bear witness and proclaim to you the eternal (aionion) life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us"

1 John 5:11, "And the witness is this, that God has given us eternal (aionion) life, and this life is in His Son."
 
Old 03-23-2013, 04:38 PM
 
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Eternal is an incorrect translation for Aionion.
Life has a beginning and End.
 
Old 03-23-2013, 04:45 PM
 
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Eternal is an incorrect translation for Aionion.
Life has a beginning and End.
So you say that Jesus does not offer eternal life as John 10:28 states?

So you say God is not eternal as Rom. 16:26 states?
 
Old 03-23-2013, 04:58 PM
 
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Eternal is an incorrect translation for Aionion.
Life has a beginning and End.
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So you say that Jesus does not offer eternal life as John 10:28 states?
So you say God is not eternal as Rom. 16:26 states?
Immortality begins with an age, thus, it has a beginning.
The Spirit is ageless, therefore, the God of the ages would be a better translation.

"The age of reasoning has come and gone?"
 
Old 03-23-2013, 05:42 PM
 
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When you thought you've heard it all, then comes this:

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God is not the everlasting God. He does not last for an ever or for an age. When the ages end, God will continue to exist.
You do realize how ridiculous this sounds.

OTOH probably you don't.

http://youtu.be/jP2nz6PG8KM
 
Old 03-23-2013, 05:46 PM
 
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Immortality begins with an age, thus, it has a beginning.
The Spirit is ageless, therefore, the God of the ages would be a better translation.

"The age of reasoning has come and gone?"
I love reading your fortune cookies while eating my rhubarb pie.
 
Old 03-23-2013, 06:07 PM
 
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God is immortal.
 
Old 03-23-2013, 06:54 PM
 
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So you say that Jesus does not offer eternal life as John 10:28 states?

So you say God is not eternal as Rom. 16:26 states?
It is obvious that you may have read what I wrote in starting this thread but you did not comprehend what I wrote.

Jesus did not offer eternal life. He did not speak in English. He said one would get aionion life which is life pertaining to the aion. They would get the blessing of God to actually live through that future aion. Is that not good enough?

Paul did not speak English or use the word eternal in Romans 16:26. He said God is the aionion God or the God pertaining to the aionas (eons). He was not proving His eternality but rather His relation to the aionas in that He is in control of them and subjects mankind to the goal He has for each aion.

Please re-read my original post. It is impossible for aionion to be "eternal" because its noun from which it is derived from never means eternal. The adjective cannot be greater than the noun from which it is derived.
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