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Old 03-29-2013, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Hephzibah, GA
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Originally Posted by denverian View Post
You mean teaching them an anti-gay interpretation of the scriptures, which still won't make a gay child heterosexual Just increases their chances of suicide/dysfunction/self hatred, etc.
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Originally Posted by Heartsong View Post
Yes. Sad to say, but many Christians will continue to teach their children to despise others. It is done out of fear. Oddly, they'll only pick that one thing they consider sin and major on it. They won't teach their kids to avoid other types of people who are doing various sins. Some people have to have someone to oppose or they cannot feel satisfied with life.
Are we posting as believers or as non-believers? If by anti-gay scriptures you mean those that list homosexuality as sin, then yes, those very same scriptures. But the OP was not about making a homosexual child heterosexual, and thus my post, and the agreement to it, was not about changing our children from homo- to heterosexuals. What increases their chances of suicide, dysfunctionality, self-hatred, etc., is not teaching what the bible says about sin, but their own sinful desires.

Yes, many so-called Christians teach hate, but so do so many that are not Christians. I know of several who are not believers and they feel the same way about homosexuality that Christians do, though for a different reason. They simply believe that it's not natural without reference to morality. While I do believe it is not natural (in agreement with Romans 1:26-27), I see it with reference to morality, that it is a sin. It is not the only sin I steer my children away from, but I don't want them associating with liars, thieves, murders (including those that hate), adulterers, etc. I have not taught my children to hate them, but 'A little leaven leavens the whole lump' and 'Bad company corrupts good morals.' (1 Cor. 5:6 & 15:30) You can associate with the world with being friends of the world for we are to 'keep ourselves unstained from the world' (James 1:27) because 'Friendship with the with world is enmity with God.' (James 4:4)

We are not to love those who commit the sin of homosexuality any more or less than we love any other kind of sinner. Christ died for the homosexual just as much as he died for the murders, rapist, adulterer, thief, liar or idolater. Who is fears for their children because of the convicted pedophile that lives down the block? Many do and hate them just as much, if not more than the homosexual that lives next door. So it's not just a problem with hating homosexuals, and not just from Christians. Let's move off of the hate the hater vein and get back to the OP, what do we, as Christian parents, do when our children are presented with the 'acceptance' of the world (TV, Books, Music, Movies, News, etc.) when the Word of God has something to say about it?

Blessings in Christ,

Matthew

 
Old 03-29-2013, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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Are we posting as believers or as non-believers? If by anti-gay scriptures you mean those that list homosexuality as sin, then yes, those very same scriptures. But the OP was not about making a homosexual child heterosexual, and thus my post, and the agreement to it, was not about changing our children from homo- to heterosexuals. What increases their chances of suicide, dysfunctionality, self-hatred, etc., is not teaching what the bible says about sin, but their own sinful desires.

Yes, many so-called Christians teach hate, but so do so many that are not Christians. I know of several who are not believers and they feel the same way about homosexuality that Christians do, though for a different reason. They simply believe that it's not natural without reference to morality. While I do believe it is not natural (in agreement with Romans 1:26-27), I see it with reference to morality, that it is a sin. It is not the only sin I steer my children away from, but I don't want them associating with liars, thieves, murders (including those that hate), adulterers, etc. I have not taught my children to hate them, but 'A little leaven leavens the whole lump' and 'Bad company corrupts good morals.' (1 Cor. 5:6 & 15:30) You can associate with the world with being friends of the world for we are to 'keep ourselves unstained from the world' (James 1:27) because 'Friendship with the with world is enmity with God.' (James 4:4)

We are not to love those who commit the sin of homosexuality any more or less than we love any other kind of sinner. Christ died for the homosexual just as much as he died for the murders, rapist, adulterer, thief, liar or idolater. Who is fears for their children because of the convicted pedophile that lives down the block? Many do and hate them just as much, if not more than the homosexual that lives next door. So it's not just a problem with hating homosexuals, and not just from Christians. Let's move off of the hate the hater vein and get back to the OP, what do we, as Christian parents, do when our children are presented with the 'acceptance' of the world (TV, Books, Music, Movies, News, etc.) when the Word of God has something to say about it?

Blessings in Christ,

Matthew
As a Christian, I believe the Bible is being mis-interpreted and mis-translated to define homosexuality as sin. I'm not going to respond to the rest of your post because there's absolutely no point.
 
Old 03-29-2013, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I have been quite blunt with both of my boys who are now 22 and 17. They have been taught by my wife and I, whether the agree with it or not, that ANY SEX OUTSIDE OF A HETEROSEXUAL MARRIAGE IS WRONG. It must have worked for me, cause my 22 year old is already married, and I guess, having all of the married sex he can with my beautiful daughter in law. With that said, I was thinking why did my son get married so young when he has his whole life a head of him? Then it came to me that he didn't want to live in sin and disappoint his mom and me.

As far as my youngest son, he seems more liberal about this topic. Since he has had a couple of girl friends in high school, he has been honest with me when one of his girlfriends was talking about having sex, and wanted to, if you believe this, start a family at the tender age of 17. My youngest son broke up with her because, as he told me, he didn't want to spend his late teens and early 20s rearing a child. So there you go. To me, and I know I am getting off topic, and some people may disagree with me when I say this. But we, as Christians tend to debate gay lifestyle but not debate or discuss Christians who live in sin by living together before getting married or "shacking up."

The problem today is that we have people who just want to flat out rebel against the word of God, and think that some how they are living according to God's will. God's will is for us to glorify Him by becoming delivered of any addictions be it sex, alcohol, and drugs, and I am sorry to say it but when anyone who calls him or herself a Christian and are HABITUALLY living in sin to the point they they allow the Devil to have them believe that any lifestyle contrary to what the bible teaches is ok, then shame on them!
And if your unmarried son came to you and sad, dad, I'm gay and I've known I was attracted to men since I was a kid, how would you react? Would you tell him he must change or be cast into hell?
 
Old 03-29-2013, 03:44 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Are we posting as believers or as non-believers? If by anti-gay scriptures you mean those that list homosexuality as sin, then yes, those very same scriptures. But the OP was not about making a homosexual child heterosexual, and thus my post, and the agreement to it, was not about changing our children from homo- to heterosexuals. What increases their chances of suicide, dysfunctionality, self-hatred, etc., is not teaching what the bible says about sin, but their own sinful desires.

Yes, many so-called Christians teach hate, but so do so many that are not Christians. I know of several who are not believers and they feel the same way about homosexuality that Christians do, though for a different reason. They simply believe that it's not natural without reference to morality. While I do believe it is not natural (in agreement with Romans 1:26-27), I see it with reference to morality, that it is a sin. It is not the only sin I steer my children away from, but I don't want them associating with liars, thieves, murders (including those that hate), adulterers, etc. I have not taught my children to hate them, but 'A little leaven leavens the whole lump' and 'Bad company corrupts good morals.' (1 Cor. 5:6 & 15:30) You can associate with the world with being friends of the world for we are to 'keep ourselves unstained from the world' (James 1:27) because 'Friendship with the with world is enmity with God.' (James 4:4)

We are not to love those who commit the sin of homosexuality any more or less than we love any other kind of sinner. Christ died for the homosexual just as much as he died for the murders, rapist, adulterer, thief, liar or idolater. Who is fears for their children because of the convicted pedophile that lives down the block? Many do and hate them just as much, if not more than the homosexual that lives next door. So it's not just a problem with hating homosexuals, and not just from Christians. Let's move off of the hate the hater vein and get back to the OP, what do we, as Christian parents, do when our children are presented with the 'acceptance' of the world (TV, Books, Music, Movies, News, etc.) when the Word of God has something to say about it?

Blessings in Christ,

Matthew
What increases their chances of suicide, dysfunctionality, self-hatred, etc., is not teaching what the bible says about sin, but their own sinful desires.
Exactly. This is part of the truth that children need to hear.
 
Old 03-29-2013, 04:19 PM
 
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And if your unmarried son came to you and sad, dad, I'm gay and I've known I was attracted to men since I was a kid, how would you react? Would you tell him he must change or be cast into hell?
Huh???? Just from reading how you responded to my post, you have already ASSUMED that I would tell my son, if he were to come to me and tell me that he's gay, that he would automatically go to Hell. I never said that nor would I tell my son that he would be condemned to Hell for being gay. AGAIN WHAT I SAID, and I hope you are reading this post very clearly and without any disdain towards me is that ANY ONE WHO HAS SEX OUTSIDE OF A HETEROSEXUAL MARRIAGE IS COMMITTING SIN. Now you can take that how you want.

What's so sad is that God has set the standard for all of us to live by. Who are you, me or any one to think that God doesn't have our best interest at hand when we want to REBEL and do what ever the HELL we want to do, and think that somehow we are going to be blessed by living in sin. Even if my son, brother, sister, father, mother, grandparent, best friend or ME, were to engage in any kind of sex be it adultery, gay sex, beastiality, or fornication, that wouldn't change that fact that sex outside of a heterosexual marriage is viewed in the bible as sin. It's a hard pill to swallow ( I guess for those who want to commit sex outside of a heterosexual marriage), but it's SCRIPTURAL AS WELL

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Old 03-31-2013, 12:14 PM
 
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Yes. Sad to say, but many Christians will continue to teach their children to despise others. It is done out of fear. Oddly, they'll only pick that one thing they consider sin and major on it. They won't teach their kids to avoid other types of people who are doing various sins. Some people have to have someone to oppose or they cannot feel satisfied with life.
I think that's the problem. Christians or not, some teach out of fear. Few Christians are able to teach out of love but still hold Biblical truth.
 
Old 03-31-2013, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Florida
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We have added that there are lots of sins in this world, that everyone sins, and the sins that each of us must be most concerned about are our OWN.
The power of God's word is for the remission of sin. Jesus died on the cross for the remission of sin and God's word says to be holy as God is holy. We are to preach the gospel to every creature for the remission of sin.
 
Old 03-31-2013, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Hephzibah, GA
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As a Christian, I believe the Bible is being mis-interpreted and mis-translated to define homosexuality as sin. I'm not going to respond to the rest of your post because there's absolutely no point.
I would be interested in which scriptures are being misinterpreted or mistranslated in order for homosexuality to be defined as sin.
 
Old 03-31-2013, 04:15 PM
 
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Yes. Sad to say, but many Christians will continue to teach their children to despise others. It is done out of fear. Oddly, they'll only pick that one thing they consider sin and major on it. They won't teach their kids to avoid other types of people who are doing various sins. Some people have to have someone to oppose or they cannot feel satisfied with life.
I am sure there are some people who would teach children to despise others but that is not a Christian thing. We are to love the sinner even while hating the sin. If we hated the person we would not try to show them Jesus and just never speak to them. We must love them enough to tell them what God considers sin and what the results of sin is. Then we must show them Jesus who paid the price for that sin in their place. Repentance (turning from sin) is what Jesus taught us to do. "Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand"

And that's why we as Christians do teach our children as many things as we can that God considers a sin. Such as unmarried people living/sleeping together. We had to deal with this when we would not allow a former foster child to stay in our home in the same room with a live in partner. We felt that would set a bad example for our pre-teen. As someone else has said. "All sexual contact outside of an heterosexual marriage is sin". We take the opportunity at tax time to show how we must be truthful and admit all income, even if it's not documented elsewhere, to the IRS and pay our tax on what the law say's we should. But this thread is about one topic only and we need to stay with that.
 
Old 04-01-2013, 10:52 AM
 
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This is not a discussion about Homosexuality being right or wrong, natural or not.

How do you, or do you plan to when it comes up, explain to your children (11-13) what "Gay" and "homosexual" means since it is being discussed so much on TV and radio these day's?

Being a Christian I know we must teach them that it is a sin. But when they see popular people and politicians claiming it is ok to practice such a sin we must counter this false teaching with God's truth.

Have any of you had the experience of dealing with this yet?
Making such authoritarian statements is dangerous. Millions upon millions of Christians and most Jews disagree with the bolded.

As for your question, it's not difficult. Look, even a 6 year old can figure it out in less than a minute!


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