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Heavens peace and perfect justice kissed a lost world in love.
He died to satisfy God'sjustice. Some people here reject that very justice. They call it 'monsterous', and declare they cannot worship a god with such justice.
He died to satisfy God'sjustice. Some people here reject that very justice. They call it 'monsterous', and declare they cannot worship a god with such justice.
We do not accept YOUR definition that it is justice, Finn. There can never be anything just about infinitely punishing someone for a finite crime, period. That makes a mockery of the concept of justice . . . so we KNOW God has nothing to do with it. It is entirely man made.
He died to satisfy God'sjustice. Some people here reject that very justice. They call it 'monsterous', and declare they cannot worship a god with such justice.
Your understanding of justice Mr Jarber is monstrous, thankfully The justice of the living God is not.
.The god who is worshipped and adored as a savior from eternal hell is a devil, Jesus never taught that he is a savior from eternal hell.
Jesus never taught he is a savior from 'eternal' hell simply because the Bible's hell is Not eternal.
For something to be eternal wouldn't it have to exist forever and ever ?
The 'Bible's hell' [ Hebrew: sheol ] is Not a permanent place because Jesus has the keys to unlock hell.- Rev. 1 v 18
Once Jesus 'delivers up' [ meaning resurrects up out of hell - Rev. 20 vs 13,14 ], then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into a symbolic 'second death ' for both death and hell.
According to Hebrews [ 2 v 14 B ] Jesus destroys Satan.
According to Rev. [ 21 v 8 ] Satan ends up in 'second death '
So, 'second death' is a fitting term for: destruction.
Besides Satan being destroyed, the Bible's temporary hell is also destroyed in 'second death'.
Jesus is thus the Savior from temporary hell [ mankind's common grave for the dead - Ecc. 9 v 5 ].
He died to satisfy God's justice. Some people here reject that very justice. They call it 'monsterous', and declare they cannot worship a god with such justice.
What it boils down to is that there are haters of God when Jesus himself says:
"for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out— those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just,
for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
Jesus says that such judgements on the evil ---> is just <----- and he speaks it to the pleasure of God
What it boils down to is that there are haters of God when Jesus himself says:
"for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out— those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just,
for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
Jesus says that such judgements on the evil ---> is just <----- and he speaks it to the pleasure of God
No TwinSpin what it boils down to is your inability to see beyond sin and the grave,thus limiting the love,grace,mercy and forgiveness of God.
Where sin abounds the grace of God over abounds......... You do not believe this. You believe sin is greater than the over abounding grace of God.
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Yes, 'everlasting punishment' Not meaning 'everlasting hell'.
2nd Thess. 1 v 9 equates punishment with 'everlasting destruction'.
And just as Jesus taught there will be those who will 'perish'. -John 3 v 16 B
That is also why 2nd Peter [ 3 v 9 ] can mention the unrepentant will 'perish' or 'be destroyed'.
All wicked ones according to Psalm [ 92 v 7 ] will perish or be destroyed forever.
The English word often translated in KJV as hellfire is the word: Gehenna
Gehenna was a garbage pit where things were destroyed Not kept burning forever. [ ashes to ashes ]
So, 'hellfire' or Gehenna is a fitting symbol for: destruction.
The 'everlasting punishment' of 'everlasting destruction'.
No TwinSpin what it boils down to is your inability to see beyond sin and the grave,thus limiting the love,grace,mercy and forgiveness of God.
Where sin abounds the grace of God over abounds......... You do not believe this. You believe sin is greater than the over abounding grace of God.
Besides God's love, grace, mercy and forgiveness what about God's attribute of: justice ?
According to Proverbs 21 v 18 aren't the wicked a ransom for the righteous..... ?
Justice requires that the guilty [ unrepentant ] are not cleared.- Exodus 34 v 7 A; 2nd Peter 3 v 9; Hebrews 6 vs 4-6
Jesus never taught he is a savior from 'eternal' hell simply because the Bible's hell is Not eternal.
For something to be eternal wouldn't it have to exist forever and ever ?
The 'Bible's hell' [ Hebrew: sheol ] is Not a permanent place because Jesus has the keys to unlock hell.- Rev. 1 v 18
Once Jesus 'delivers up' [ meaning resurrects up out of hell - Rev. 20 vs 13,14 ], then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into a symbolic 'second death ' for both death and hell.
According to Hebrews [ 2 v 14 B ] Jesus destroys Satan.
According to Rev. [ 21 v 8 ] Satan ends up in 'second death '
So, 'second death' is a fitting term for: destruction.
Besides Satan being destroyed, the Bible's temporary hell is also destroyed in 'second death'.
Jesus is thus the Savior from temporary hell [ mankind's common grave for the dead - Ecc. 9 v 5 ].
Unfortunately most believe Jesus uses the keys to lock them in not set them free. Even Pilate of all people held a key that would unconditionally release a prisoner of the choice of the People at the festival, and in our depravity we lower the living God below that of Pilate and those who chose unconditionally to release Barabbas. Lord have mercy upon us.
Besides God's love, grace, mercy and forgiveness what about God's attribute of: justice ?
According to Proverbs 21 v 18 aren't the wicked a ransom for the righteous..... ?
Justice requires that the guilty [ unrepentant ] are not cleared.- Exodus 34 v 7 A; 2nd Peter 3 v 9; Hebrews 6 vs 4-6
We reap what we sow. Even destruction is reforming.
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