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Exactly.
Not to mention the reason for the discipline.
I'm sorry. Misstatement. Your portrayal of God's love is that he's so overcome by his devotion to us that he can't possibly punish sinners. That is heretical. You've created a god in your own mind. You might as well worship a block of wood.
I read the Bible. I'm the one quoting the Bible. Not you or the other universalists here.
That wasn't the question.
I asked if you understand who God is.
If you do....... whoa. Alert CNN. Because as horrid as the news from Boston is they'll interrupt if they can put a pastor from Podunk on the air to tell the world he understands who God is.
I imagine you'll get a lot of questions. No fair quoting Bible verses for responses. ANY of us can quote Bible verses.
You don't know what love is until you realize God hates sin....yet he died on the cross to pay for our sin -- and free us from it. Instead, you have this sappy little, namby pamby notion of a god that is just too weak to punish sin. Your failure to understand who God is will lead you and anyone that listens to you to hell.
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"God hates sinners; God loves sinners." Which is it, Vizio? They contradict.
"God is too holy to destroy sin and save the sinner; God gives himself a loophole by which he will destroy sin and save the sinner."
Which is it, Vizio? They contradict.
I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge the contradictions here, Vizio.
And why is it that a god who would circumvent his supposed "holiness" standard in order to let SOME sinners off the hook isn't a namby pamby notion of a god but a God whose love and holiness insists that all sin in ALL sinners must and will be eradicated, is?
I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge the contradictions here, Vizio.
And why is it that a god who would circumvent his supposed "holiness" standard in order to let SOME sinners off the hook isn't a namby pamby notion of a god but a God whose love and holiness insists that all sin in ALL sinners must and will be eradicated, is?
There is no contradiction. God punished sin. He poured out all his wrath on Jesus Christ -- the 2nd person of the Godhead. We are forgiven because he paid for it all.
The universalists? Their portrayal of God is that he is just too smitten by us to punish us so he just folds like a paper tiger.
There is no contradiction between "God loves sinners" and "God hates sinners"? It can't be both, so which is it, Vizio?
"God is too holy to destroy sin and save the sinner; God gives himself a loophole by which he will destroy sin and save the sinner." Which is it Vizio? They can't both be true.
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God punished sin. He poured out all his wrath on Jesus Christ -- the 2nd person of the Godhead. We are forgiven because he paid for it all.
And now you introduce a new contradiction: God supposedly poured out all his wrath on God and all sins are paid for because of that; but God still has some more wrath to pour out on people who don't believe that he poured it all out on himself.
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The universalists? Their portrayal of God is that he is just too smitten by us to punish us so he just folds like a paper tiger.
So, God being so loving and holy that He will eradicate all sin from all people is what you think of as folding like a paper tiger, but creating a loophole for SOME people by which his supposed holiness can be circumvented, isn't?
Obviously, I love my wife, kids, and others.
I'm not sure what you mean by the "ends of the earth".
As I stated....it's not relevant because I'm not God and my love is not comparable to that.
You are attempting to twist what scripture says based on non-scriptural ideas.
There is no contradiction between "God loves sinners" and "God hates sinners"? It can't be both, so which is it, Vizio?
The Bible says God does both.
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"God is too holy to destroy sin and save the sinner; God gives himself a loophole by which he will destroy sin and save the sinner." Which is it Vizio? They can't both be true.
He loved them enough to redeem them and take away their sin.
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And now you introduce a new contradiction: God supposedly poured out all his wrath on God and all sins are paid for because of that; but God still has some more wrath to pour out on people who don't believe that he poured it all out on himself.
The ones that are not redeemed--that didn't trust in him will face his wrath. The ones that do believe don't have to because Jesus did it for them.
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So, God being so loving and holy that He will eradicate all sin from all people is what you think of as folding like a paper tiger, but creating a loophole for SOME people by which his supposed holiness can be circumvented, isn't?
Him paying out his wrath is not a paper tiger. Him rolling over and being afraid to punish sin is. Your god is an idol created in your own mind.
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