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The Kinsman redeemer is a beautiful concept and reaches to the heart of the Gospel, IMO, and I am glad you brought it up. There were a few different areas where the kinsman redeemer actually operated like redeeming property for the kinsman, rescuing the name of the kinsman from obliteration (as Boaz did) revenging the death of the kinsman and the one that concerns us, rescuing the kinsman from bondage.
"Bondage" is the key to understanding Christ as kinsman redeemer, and where you make your understandable mistake:
You focus on the consequence of the bondage, but Jesus rescues us from the life of bondage to the Law of sin and death, to a life of selfish motivation, to separation from God. I think Titus 2:14 gives the best explanation: "who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good."
Focus on "salvation" as bringing us to a life lived in love with God and man, a "life more abundant," and you will see that the price paid was to destroy the instrument of bondage: the Law of sin and death, to discredit it as the basis for judgement of man.
I hope that helps your understanding and once again thank you for bringing up a subject dear to my heart.
Thought this was a good time to again bring up the idea of WHAT we are "redeemed" FROM and TO.
"Bondage" is the key to understanding Christ as kinsman redeemer, and where you make your understandable mistake:
You focus on the consequence of the bondage, but Jesus rescues us from the life of bondage to the Law of sin and death, to a life of selfish motivation, to separation from God. I think Titus 2:14 gives the best explanation: "who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good."
Focus on "salvation" as bringing us to a life lived in love with God and man, a "life more abundant," and you will see that the price paid was to destroy the instrument of bondage: the Law of sin and death, to discredit it as the basis for judgement of man.
but someone will ask isn't bondage my task?
do i not have to learn
all the Law to not burn?
My focus, and that should have been obvious to you, is that Jesus redeemed us from the slave market of sin. But I did indeed mention the fact that despite having his sins paid for, the person who dies never having accepted Christ as Savior will spend the eternal future in the lake of fire. And that is the reality of it. And my understanding is just fine.
do you know?
do you know?
can you put on a show?
do you know where you've been
or are going again?
and i think you should tire
of that silly old fire
and just see it's the end
of a thing that is rend
The Kinsman redeemer is a beautiful concept and reaches to the heart of the Gospel, IMO, and I am glad you brought it up. There were a few different areas where the kinsman redeemer actually operated like redeeming property for the kinsman, rescuing the name of the kinsman from obliteration (as Boaz did) revenging the death of the kinsman and the one that concerns us, rescuing the kinsman from bondage.
"Bondage" is the key to understanding Christ as kinsman redeemer, and where you make your understandable mistake:
You focus on the consequence of the bondage, but Jesus rescues us from the life of bondage to the Law of sin and death, to a life of selfish motivation, to separation from God. I think Titus 2:14 gives the best explanation: "who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good."
Focus on "salvation" as bringing us to a life lived in love with God and man, a "life more abundant," and you will see that the price paid was to destroy the instrument of bondage: the Law of sin and death, to discredit it as the basis for judgement of man.
I hope that helps your understanding and once again thank you for bringing up a subject dear to my heart.
Sure, but Jesus spoke of the consequence in John 3. We must not dismiss that part so easily.
16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17*For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18*He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
The Kinsman redeemer is a beautiful concept and reaches to the heart of the Gospel, IMO, and I am glad you brought it up. There were a few different areas where the kinsman redeemer actually operated like redeeming property for the kinsman, rescuing the name of the kinsman from obliteration (as Boaz did) revenging the death of the kinsman and the one that concerns us, rescuing the kinsman from bondage.
"Bondage" is the key to understanding Christ as kinsman redeemer, and where you make your understandable mistake:
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Originally Posted by Mike555
Since all mankind is under the penalty of sin, in bondage to sin, it required a kinsman redeemer who was both able and willing to redeem us. That kinsman redeemer is Jesus Christ. Only He was able to pay our penalty.
You focus on the consequence of the bondage, but Jesus rescues us from the life of bondage to the Law of sin and death, to a life of selfish motivation, to separation from God. I think Titus 2:14 gives the best explanation: "who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good."
Focus on "salvation" as bringing us to a life lived in love with God and man, a "life more abundant," and you will see that the price paid was to destroy the instrument of bondage: the Law of sin and death, to discredit it as the basis for judgement of man.
I hope that helps your understanding and once again thank you for bringing up a subject dear to my heart.
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Originally Posted by nateswift
Thought this was a good time to again bring up the idea of WHAT we are "redeemed" FROM and TO.
I made no mistake. Redemption must be understood in its relation with reconciliation and propitiation. Whereas reconciliation is manward (2 Cor. 5:18; Eph. 2:16; Col. 1:22-23), and propitiation is Godward (Rom. 3:22-26; 1 John 2:2; 4:10), redemption is sinward. Redemption is the sinward aspect of Jesus' work on the cross. Redemption is almost synonymous with the term 'ransom' because redemption has to do with the ransom price by which Jesus purchased our freedom from the slave market of sin.
Sin entered the human race through Adam (Romans 5:12). We inherited his sin nature and are ourselves sinners. The wages of sin is death; spiritual death which is separation from God. Physical death is a consequence of spiritual death, but spiritual death was the direct and immediate result of Adam's sin. He died spiritually immediately when he disobeyed God. His physical death came much later. The second death in the lake of fire is spiritual death perpetuated forever. Those in the lake of fire will be physically alive, having been resurrected, but they will be spiritually dead, separated from God forever.
Jesus redeemed us from the curse of the law. The curse is not the law itself, but is the penalty for not keeping the law.
Gal. 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”
Jesus redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, in our place. This is a strong declaration of substitution. He Himself bore our sins in His own body (1 Pet. 2:24) and paid the penalty, paid the wages (Rom. 6:23), paid the ransom price (Matt. 20:28) for our redemption. That ransom price was His own death (Matt, 20:28; Acts 20:28; Rev. 5:9).
Gal. 3:13 refers back to Deuteronomy 21:22-23.
Deut. 21:22 "If a man has committed a sin worthy of death and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, 23] his corpse shall not hang all night on the tree, but you shall surely bury him on the same day (for he who is hanged is accursed of God), so that you do not defile your land which the LORD your God gives you as an inheritance.
We are redeemed from the penalty of sin by the substitutionary death of Christ on the cross, and are redeemed to a state of freedom.
Thank you, God, that i am not like that guy, over there...
I don't appreciate what you're insinuating with your statement above. I made no mistake regarding what redemption means. To imply arrogant self-righteousness on my part because I said I made no mistake is uncalled for.
Last edited by Michael Way; 11-01-2016 at 01:54 PM..
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