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Old 01-10-2008, 03:05 PM
 
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The last enemy that will be abolished is death.27. For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET.



EXACLTY and who follow is way will also. anyone found not in the book of life was throw into the lake of fire
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:07 PM
 
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Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

maybe you can answer this question since spam did not answer when i ask him for the first few times


If all people are to be saved then why is this part of the bible even in the bible?

if everyone will be save even the ones to reject Jesus for their whole earth life but in the afterlife be saved then what use is the gospel?


i guess ican forget jesus due to when I die I just bow to him anyways and be re-save . does that make sense if we go by your understanding?

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Old 01-10-2008, 04:36 PM
 
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we need to understand even the ones who reject Jesus will be force to bowl to Him but that does not mean he will enter heaven.
I thought you said it is written in the bible that God will not force people to do anything?
And even if he did force people,the scripture says in Philippians 2:10-11
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

How can it be to the Glory of God if they are being forced against their will?
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Old 01-10-2008, 04:49 PM
 
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Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

maybe you can answer this question since spam did not answer when i ask him for the first few times


If all people are to be saved then why is this part of the bible even in the bible?

if everyone will be save even the ones to reject Jesus for their whole earth life but in the afterlife be saved then what use is the gospel?


i guess ican forget jesus due to when I die I just bow to him anyways and be re-save . does that make sense if we go by your understanding?
Are you following Christ because you are afraid of the lake of fire or because you recognize that he is God and deserving of your love and praise? If your only reason is out of pure fear then your heart is not in the right place. I hear this a lot. People say..well, there is no need to worship God because I`m going to be saved anyway so I can do whatever I want. That is wrong and what is that saying about where that person`s heart really is? We have said many,many many times. You will still face God`s wrath. This is not about second chances. That`s like a christian saying when they are faced with temptation for the moment,well I`ll go ahead and give in to my temptation now but then I will ask God to forgive me when I`m done and he will. It`s the same thing. I won`t follow God in this life but I`ll ask for forgiveness in the next age and be saved. We are not saying you won`t suffer God`s wrath. He will discipline you. No one get`s away with disobediance.
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Old 01-10-2008, 06:30 PM
 
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i already reply to that but show me where satan his demons followers of him will be in heaven?
This reference was given in response to your statement here:

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"he will subject all who pick to serve the Lord"
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But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.21. For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead.22. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.23. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming,24. then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has *abolished all rule and all authority and power.25. For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.26. The last enemy that will be abolished is death.27. For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him.28. When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all. (caps from the translation)

*abolished=rendered powerless, made of no effect


All subjected to Him.

He will subject all according to this passage, not just those who pick to serve the Lord. Those who you believe pick and serve Jesus are already subjected to Him. God bless.

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Old 01-10-2008, 06:46 PM
 
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Jesus has also said that He will draw all men to Himself. Please see above verse.


yes he will draw all to his self when it time to show who is the sheeps and the goats
He will draw all to Himself then and He will draw all to Himself because all are reunited in Him. When the ruler of this world is cast out, he will no longer have power, influence over the lives of men. All men belong to Jesus Christ, not satan. All things were made for Jesus, not satan and it was God's good pleasure to reconcile the same all that were made through and for Jesus Christ to Himself.

*draw=Helkuo=to drag, is used of Jesus on the cross drawing by His love, is used as in the drawing of a net (Hebrew/Greek Key Word Study Bible/Spiros Zodhiates, Th.D

usage in other scriptures with correlated word

John 6:44
"No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draws him..."

Sept. Song of Solomon1:4
"Draw me after you and let us run together!"

Jeremiah 31:3
"Therefore I have drawn you with lovingkindness..."

drawing by inward power, by divine impulse

God bless
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Old 01-10-2008, 06:57 PM
 
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The last enemy that will be abolished is death.27. For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET.

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EXACLTY and who follow is way will also. anyone found not in the book of life was throw into the lake of fire
Many will be cast into the lake of fire, the second death and all are to be given life when death is abolished, rendered powerless, made of no effect. The passage in 1 Corin. is speaking within the context of what happened when Adam sinned. For as in Adam all die, in Christ all will be made alive. When all are subjected God will be all in all, so this tells me that the second death has to do with the destruction of all that is sinful in mankind, and I believe in all that is sinful in all of whomever is cast into the lake of fire. The book of Revelations is filled symbols and so I believe that there is likely that the lake of fire is symbolic of something. It is very interesting that this body water is called a lake. God bless.
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Old 01-10-2008, 07:04 PM
 
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Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

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maybe you can answer this question since spam did not answer when i ask him for the first few times

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If all people are to be saved then why is this part of the bible even in the bible?
God wanted this presented in the scriptures. I believe that the lake of fire has to do with the subjection of all to God so that He may be all in all. I believe that it has to do with judgment and the second death. Believers have already experienced a second death and die daily.

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if everyone will be save even the ones to reject Jesus for their whole earth life but in the afterlife be saved then what use is the gospel?
The gospel is the good news of Jesus Christ. We know that God sent Jesus to be the Savior of the world and whoever believes in Him in this age are being saved and can have abundant life now. They are able to experience the life of knowing God and His son and all that this involves. But the good news is for everyone in that it was God's good pleasure to reconcile all to Himself through Jesus Christ. All will eventually realize what the good news is all about.

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i guess ican forget jesus due to when I die I just bow to him anyways and be re-save . does that make sense if we go by your understanding?
Why would you want to forget Jesus now, after all that He has suffered for us and did for us? If someone decides to reject Jesus now because of this what does this tell say about this person's heart? God bless.

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Old 01-10-2008, 07:07 PM
 
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Are you following Christ because you are afraid of the lake of fire or because you recognize that he is God and deserving of your love and praise? If your only reason is out of pure fear then your heart is not in the right place. I hear this a lot. People say..well, there is no need to worship God because I`m going to be saved anyway so I can do whatever I want. That is wrong and what is that saying about where that person`s heart really is? We have said many,many many times. You will still face God`s wrath. This is not about second chances. That`s like a christian saying when they are faced with temptation for the moment,well I`ll go ahead and give in to my temptation now but then I will ask God to forgive me when I`m done and he will. It`s the same thing. I won`t follow God in this life but I`ll ask for forgiveness in the next age and be saved. We are not saying you won`t suffer God`s wrath. He will discipline you. No one get`s away with disobediance.
Yes. Thanks for sharing and God bless.
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Old 01-10-2008, 07:14 PM
 
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lake-limen, a small or large pond, limen=safe harbor

An article worth reading, imo.

L. Ray Smith - The Lake of Fire - Part 12

God bless.
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