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Old 10-07-2017, 03:43 PM
 
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yes man will and has and it is going to kill their very stupid ignorant fannies. what do you think he is trying to save humanity from dummy!

yeah whatever.
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Old 10-07-2017, 06:26 PM
 
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We are caught up to a higher place, even while we yet live.
beautiful.exactly.
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Old 10-16-2017, 01:10 PM
 
Location: central Florida
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Everyone is lawless(Rom 3:10-11). We know how to be forgiven, do you?
I'm not sure of the doctrinal roots of this discussion. Here goes anyway.

Everyone is NOT lawless.

The scripture you quoted has been taken out of context. Paul is discussing God's faithfulness in chapter three of his letter to the Romans. His letter by no means justifies sin. The passage you quote here is Paul's reference to Isaiah's justification of the use of the Law as a measure of human sin in the eyes of God.

The purpose of the Law is to convict of sin.

In the previous chapter, Paul wrote that those who do not live by the Law will die by the Law. This is true, but does this also mean that all of us are condemned? No. We are not all condemned. Why? Because some of us have had the condemnation of our sin removed by the righteousness of Christ, which is imparted to us.

The purpose of grace is to free us from the condemnation of sin.

Later in chapter 3 Paul assures the reader that righteousness is given through faith to all who believe in Christ Jesus. Such faith is granted by grace through faith to the believer and is sufficient to pay the debt of sin upon the life of the believer. But grace is by no means a justification for further sin.

There is no such thing as a license to sin.

I once heard a sermon on grace delivered by a Baptist preacher. It went well until he shot himself in the foot at the end. His final words were that the congregation should, "go out and sin this week that grace may abound." Nothing could be more wrong and nothing could play into the devil's grasp as this statement.

Grace is granted that sins may be forgiven and sins are forgiven that we may live sinless lives according to the Law. Mathew quotes Jesus in 5:48 as saying, "you must be perfect even as my Father in heaven is perfect." Jesus is saying to us that perfect living, according to the Law, IS POSSIBLE.

Our Lord gives us an object lesson in the gospel of John 8:11. A woman is caught in adultery and Jesus forgives her with the admonition that she "go and sin no more". Jesus didn't say she was forgiven to do it again, but that she ought not do it any more. The implication is that she had the power to deny sin and was commanded to use it.

The church today has accepted the secular notion that nobody is perfect and that we all make mistakes. Like all the devil's lies it is only partly true. The extrapolation of this worldly sentiment is that since we are sinners we might as well go on being sinners. If Christ has forgiven us, we have a blank check to live like hell and party in heaven. Nothing could be further from the truth.

"Judgment begins in the house of the Lord." - 1 Peter 4:17

The wrath of God falls upon rebellion first and heaviest among those in His own house who refuse to part with sin - who continue in rebellion despite their promises to Him to refrain from it - and who deny the blood oath they once took to trust and obey the Master of the Universe.

The church today is devoid of power and truth because it does not teach repentance and the virtue of righteousness.

What happens when salt has lost its saltiness?

and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
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Old 10-16-2017, 02:39 PM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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Mathew quotes Jesus in 5:48 as saying, "you must be perfect even as my Father in heaven is perfect." Jesus is saying to us that perfect living, according to the Law, IS POSSIBLE.
Your argument would hold water, were it not for so much scripture
to the contrary, such as Romans 8 and 1 John 1:8-10.

No, there is no license to sin, but neither can we completely stop sinning.
We are instructed to sin as little as possible, and ask forgiveness for
the sin we still have in our lives. If we think we have no sin in our lives,
we have such a poor definition that we make God a liar.
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