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If he commanded you to kill your spouse, children, and all those in your neighborhood, would you?
There are people who HAVE and WOULD. Doesn't prove God told them to do it - but that they followed their twisted interpretations of an ancient script bound by men AFTER Jesus came into the world and died and rose to God. If they believed God required it - they would do it. They would do ANYTHING to escape the dread they have of their imagined eternal and inextinguishable inferno.
Is that what you want to hear .. "God is hate" or does the scripture say "God hates".
Now you can masquerade it into "is" or simply ignore other scriptures .. it's totally your choice on however it must be to keep the facade.
There is the answer. My experience is that people who want God to hate hate people or groups of people who torque their jaws and they want God to hate them too. This is why the emphasis on plenary inspiration of the whole Bible and the dependence on OT stories and attitudes.
Yes Pleroo ... that is an accusation of the validity of scriptures which originated with God. You are at odds with God's version of the truth.
"because I don't believe God actually did command those things." ..... I certainly did not inspire you to pen this or inspire the scriptures to be written.
Again, you reject the obvious ... but even your own? That's taking it a bite too far.
The "love is the only rule" mindset will never accept the fact that God commanded Joshua to do what he did. It is a story of faith and obedience, and of God delivering on His promise. The command to march around the city and shout at the walls much have sounded weird, and even silly, but Joshua did not question God command let alone accuse God of being unloving, or god forbid, accuse Him of being the Satan like Pcamps did
"I'm not accusing God, Twin and you know this. I don't believe God commanded anyone to do anything that is at odds with the ONE command that fulfills the law: LOVE."
When you say:
I don't believe God commanded anyone to do anything [ as recorded in the scriptures specifically] that is at odds with the ONE command that fulfills the law: LOVE.
you are putting on facade by rationalizing away that you're not accusing God by the simple means of wantonly refuse to read the obvious in scriptures.
Enough.
Hey Twin, hope you had a good evening.
I really don't think there's much that can be said here. As long as you continue to believe that every single thing written in the bible is a literal representation of truth, we're going to disagree. You calling my view a facade or a masquerade and saying I'm calling God a hypocrite when I'm not is not truthful on your part Twin.
IF I believed that God had commanded Abraham to kill his son, or Joshua to slaughter an entire city, and said I didn't, then you'd have a point. But that is not the case.
I'll say it again:
I don't believe God commanded anyone to do anything that is at odds with the ONE command that fulfills the law: LOVE. You, on the other hand, do believe that. So, if anyone is calling God a hypocrite, my dear Twin, it is you. I know you don't see it, but you are.
God commands us to love and you believe God commanded people to break that command. That is basically the definition of hypocrisy.
And I will ask you and Finn again:
How is killing your child, or slaughtering an entire city in line with the command to love others as yourself, even your enemies?
You guys like to use the "love-only crowd" label even though you know it's misleading. In this thread alone (and repeatedly on this forum) it has been explained to you that to speak of love could not possibly ignore other things which love ENCOMPASSES and ENGENDERS; those things are ROOTED in love. They are inextricably bound together; you can't have any of the other things, in their divine form, withOUT love. But, you'll likely continue to ignore that and make no attempt to understand it, because ... ? I don't know why you guys do that.
Perhaps you would like to misrepresent those who penned these words by including them in that group?
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
and
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law... Love works no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of the law.
and
If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself", you are doing right.
Perhaps you would like to misrepresent those who penned these words by including them in that group?
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
and
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law... Love works no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of the law.
and
If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself", you are doing right.
And Paul called it the more excellent way 1 Corinthians 12:31
Well yeah ... you wouldn't be thinking God was asking you to murder anyone.
But the person using the label (Finn in this case) implies that someone who believes that love fulfills the law doesn't have faith.
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