News, Christian Human Rights Lawyer Reports Persecution in China.

[DanielChang]

Originally Posted by bigthirsty

To compare the Chinese government to the U.S. government is ridiculous.

Yes, I suppose the US government isn't involved in any human rights violations of the prisoners in club gitmo. What a preposterous assertion that the U.S. government could be guilty of any crime.

[Tricky D]

Originally Posted by Padgett2

Yeah, but we are supposed to be doing it to protect our Christian Nation from the attacks of terrorists. That will make it OK in God's sight....Right?

IIRC in the 50's your American goverment prosecuted every citizen whom the comittee believed to be un-American during the McCarthy Era.

McCarthy and Undersecretary of State John Puerifory claimed that there was a "homosexual underground" that was abetting the "communist conspiracy." Numerous reports of the "pervert peril"-so called by the media-were filed in the spring of 1950. In June of 1950, the Senate ordered a full-scale investigation of the claims. Many business owners and bureaucrats were so afraid of being accused of protecting subversives, they began to quickly dismiss homosexual workers. From 1947-1950, dismissals of homosexuals averaged about five per month in civilian government jobs. In the April-December 1950 period, more than sixty per month were fired.
The McCarthy Era

Originally Posted by bigthirsty

To compare the Chinese government to the U.S. government is ridiculous.

Why?

[bigthirsty]

Originally Posted by jinxor

Yes, I suppose the US government isn't involved in any human rights violations of the prisoners in club gitmo. What a preposterous assertion that the U.S. government could be guilty of any crime.

I never said the U.S. government wasn't involved in human rights violations. I simply stated that to compare the U.S. Government to the Chinese Government is ridiculous (actually terribly uninformed is more like it).

I'm fully aware the U.S. government has been involved in less than honorable actions. I'm also fully aware the U.S. government has been doing less than honorable things for quite awhile. Its the nature of international relations and diplomacy. I know its a difficult pill to swallow but sleep safely at night knowing the government won't come after you for posting on this very board about how bad the U.S. Governement is.

[bigthirsty]

Originally Posted by Tricky D

Originally Posted by Padgett2IIRC in the 50's your American goverment prosecuted every citizen whom the comittee believed to be un-American during the McCarthy Era.



Originally Posted by bigthirsty Why?

The Chinese Government has been known throughout the years to kidnap and murder people who speak out against the government. This happens routinely. The Chinese Government censors information that could be viewed as derrogatory towards the Chinese Government.

I'm not sure when the U.S. Government has done that. You have the freedom, which you yourself use from another country, to speak however you like about the U.S. Government. Has any U.S. official knocked on your door recently?

Again, I'm fully aware the U.S. Government is not perfect. Furthermore I'm fully aware that the American version of democracy is flawed. However, it is the best form of democracy in the world at this time. That can change.

Comparing the U.S. Government to the Chinese Government is like comparing someone who speeds and breaks the law to someone who rapes. Yes, they both break the law but which one would you rather see in jail? Which one would you spend your time making sure was in jail?

Finally.. make your own decision. The two links below are from Amnesty International. The U.S. report isn't watered down.

Amnesty International Report 2007 • China

Amnesty International Report 2007 • United States of America (broken link)

and just to provide all sides..

Amnesty International Report 2007 • Netherlands

Finally Tricky I'm not attacking you. I'm just pointing out that I feel as though its a bit dangerous to compare the two governments on an apples to apples basis.

[DanielChang]

bigthirsty, it's obvious you've chosen to take a blind eye to the US government's longstanding history of violations against human rights. Just be aware that not everyone in the world share your view, and this is not simply because they are ridiculous or terribly uninformed.

[Tricky D]

Originally Posted by bigthirsty

I never said the U.S. government wasn't involved in human rights violations. I simply stated that to compare the U.S. Government to the Chinese Government is ridiculous (actually terribly uninformed is more like it).

Because I do not share your opinion I'm terribly uninformed?

You have the freedom, which you yourself use from another country, to speak however you like about the U.S. Government.

So? I'm judging foreign governments; I'm neither Chinese nor American. I just judge both governments by the same standards; both abduct and torture people.

Has any U.S. official knocked on your door recently?

IIRC in, or around, 2002 the American government threatened with an invasion if we ever prosecuted an American soldier for war-crimes in The Hague (the international tribunal).

With strong administration support, House Republicans promoted a bill that would allow U.S. armed forces to invade the Hague, Netherlands, where the court will be located, to rescue U.S. soldiers if they are ever prosecuted for war crimes. The bill, sponsored by House Majority Whip Tom DeLay, would bar U.S. military aid to countries that ratify the treaty. The bill also would prevent the U.S. from participating in peacekeeping missions that might put American soldiers under the court's jurisdiction. DeLay's bill even would prohibit the U.S. from sharing intelligence with the court regarding suspects being investigated or prosecuted.
The Consortium

Comparing the U.S. Government to the Chinese Government is like comparing someone who speeds and breaks the law to someone who rapes. Yes, they both break the law but which one would you rather see in jail?

Are you suggesting that there are mitigating circumstances for rape or torture?
Why governments abduct and torture people is irrelevant to me.