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Old 06-07-2013, 03:23 PM
 
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As many know the doctrine of hell (eternal torment) is just a doctrine of relocation. In that doctrine, sinners are just moved to a hot location and tormented meanwhile those subjected are supposedly rejecting and cursing God (sinning).

Obviously, in that doctrine there is one very MAJOR FLAW - SIN STILL EXISTS! The very purpose that the Son of God even came was to utterly destroy SIN. He didn't come to move it out of the way but came to annihilate sin. In the doctrine of eternal torment, Jesus merely moves sin out of the way and not completely out of the way since there are still left to remain sinners. The adherents to such a doctrine would have to embrace a belief that when they are in God's kingdom that there would always be THAT PLACE - yep, HELL, where SIN still exists and where the wicked still occupy. Those in that belief system would never be able to say there is NO WICKED to be FOUND ANYWHERE. They would never be able to say that sin DOESN'T exist. Since both the wicked and sin would be existing forevermore. What a thought to continue to have in your mind the rest of eternity.



1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Read it in your Bible, did not Jesus come to eradicate Sin? If so, how can anything less than eradication be considered eradication?
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Old 06-07-2013, 05:00 PM
 
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The doctrine of eternal torment is a doctrine of a non-biblical religious-myth hell. The Biblical hell [ sheol ] is only mankind's common grave where the dead sleep in hell [ gravedom] until being resurrected to either heaven as Jesus was resurrected out of the Bible's hell, or be resurrected ' delivered up ' out of hell [ Rev. 20 vs 13,14 ] to physical life on earth during Jesus 1000-year reign over earth.
- The dead know nothing according to Ecclesiastes 9 v 5. - The dead 'sleep' according to Psalms 6 v 5; 13 v 3; 115 v 17; 146 v 4

If we could stop sinning we would not die. [ Ezekiel 18 vs 4,20; Acts 3 v 23 ]
We can not resurrect oneself or another so we need someone who can do that for us. Jesus can and he will.
The price tag that we pay for our sins is: 'death' according to Romans 6 v 23. No post-mortem penalties mentioned there.
Please notice Romans 6 v 7 because the dead are freed or acquitted from 'sins'.
That does not mean the dead are now innocent, but as a judge can pardon a person so the crime charges no longer stick, Jesus as Judge can pardon a person so the sin charges no longer stick.
So, how a person responds after they are resurrected is how Jesus during his 'millennial-long judgement day' will judge resurrected people.
Revelation 21 vs 4,5 is clear that the time is coming when 'death will be no more'
There has to be 'no more sin' for death to be no more.
Revelation 21 vs 3-5 is a miniature description of the conditions that originally existed in Eden before Adam's downfall.
Jesus will reverse or undo the damage Satan and Adam brought upon us which includes getting rid of our last enemy named 'death' at 1st Corinthians 15 v 26. No death = No more sin.

Satan started sinning from the beginning or the start of his going bad, Not before he went bad.- James 1 vs 13-15
Jesus breaks up the works of the devil which foremost work is: death
Jesus will, according to Hebrews 2 v 14 B, even destroy Satan.
Satan is a sinner and all sinners pay the price of sin: death
Satan will have No resurrection from death but be destroyed forever as all the wicked will be destroyed forever.- Psalm 92 v 7
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Old 06-07-2013, 05:23 PM
 
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After Jesus second coming for renewal in the earth , all sin will be gone from the earth , as all the influences from the adversary spirit will be removed from the earth , but as time passes the sin which brings curses comes back to the earth , so the devil will be released back to the earth to challenge and deceive the nations once again ........ Then the time of the end as the great judgment of life come and all the people who ever lived will be rose up from the dead and the spirits of all people will stand and see Lord Jesus Christ , and be judged by what Jesus did through them or not do through them ...The sea of the abyss of the devil will be destroyed ......... Then all sin will be removed from existence into the lake of fire .....So then there will be a New Heaven and a New Earth , and the Lake of fire which will go into eternally with the Lord God...........God says that the lake of fire served it purpose , and the influence of the adversary spirit will be gone and the people of the children of God will have a completely different existence then the logic of the earth today, as sin will be absent , so even that the lake of fire may not be destroyed from existence God has a plan and rebellion against God is not even close to the plan for the children of God for eternal life .......
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Old 06-07-2013, 08:01 PM
 
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After Jesus second coming for renewal in the earth , all sin will be gone from the earth , as all the influences from the adversary spirit will be removed from the earth , but as time passes the sin which brings curses comes back to the earth , so the devil will be released back to the earth to challenge and deceive the nations once again ........ Then the time of the end as the great judgment of life come and all the people who ever lived will be rose up from the dead and the spirits of all people will stand and see Lord Jesus Christ , and be judged by what Jesus did through them or not do through them ...The sea of the abyss of the devil will be destroyed ......... Then all sin will be removed from existence into the lake of fire .....So then there will be a New Heaven and a New Earth , and the Lake of fire which will go into eternally with the Lord God...........God says that the lake of fire served it purpose , and the influence of the adversary spirit will be gone and the people of the children of God will have a completely different existence then the logic of the earth today, as sin will be absent , so even that the lake of fire may not be destroyed from existence God has a plan and rebellion against God is not even close to the plan for the children of God for eternal life .......
All sin will be gone from the earth of from everywhere? Anything less than universal eradication is failure.
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Old 06-07-2013, 08:26 PM
 
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All sin will be gone from the earth of from everywhere? Anything less than universal eradication is failure.
Yes, 'death will be no more' [ Rev. 21 vs 4,5 ] so that means sin will be gone from earth and all of the universe.
Sin is what causes death, so with 'No more death' that means no more sin ever again starting with Jesus 1000-year reign.
Mankind's leanings then will be upright instead of leaning towards wrongdoing.

All wicked ones [ in heaven or on earth ] will be destroyed forever- Psalm 92 v 7
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Old 06-08-2013, 10:32 AM
 
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The doctrine of eternal torment is a doctrine of a non-biblical religious-myth hell. The Biblical hell [ sheol ] is only mankind's common grave where the dead sleep in hell [ gravedom] until being resurrected to either heaven as Jesus was resurrected out of the Bible's hell, or be resurrected ' delivered up ' out of hell [ Rev. 20 vs 13,14 ] to physical life on earth during Jesus 1000-year reign over earth.
- The dead know nothing according to Ecclesiastes 9 v 5. - The dead 'sleep' according to Psalms 6 v 5; 13 v 3; 115 v 17; 146 v 4

If we could stop sinning we would not die. [ Ezekiel 18 vs 4,20; Acts 3 v 23 ]
We can not resurrect oneself or another so we need someone who can do that for us. Jesus can and he will.
The price tag that we pay for our sins is: 'death' according to Romans 6 v 23. No post-mortem penalties mentioned there.
Please notice Romans 6 v 7 because the dead are freed or acquitted from 'sins'.
That does not mean the dead are now innocent, but as a judge can pardon a person so the crime charges no longer stick, Jesus as Judge can pardon a person so the sin charges no longer stick.
So, how a person responds after they are resurrected is how Jesus during his 'millennial-long judgement day' will judge resurrected people.
Revelation 21 vs 4,5 is clear that the time is coming when 'death will be no more'
There has to be 'no more sin' for death to be no more.


Revelation 21 vs 3-5 is a miniature description of the conditions that originally existed in Eden before Adam's downfall.
Jesus will reverse or undo the damage Satan and Adam brought upon us which includes getting rid of our last enemy named 'death' at 1st Corinthians 15 v 26. No death = No more sin.

Satan started sinning from the beginning or the start of his going bad, Not before he went bad.- James 1 vs 13-15
Jesus breaks up the works of the devil which foremost work is: death
Jesus will, according to Hebrews 2 v 14 B, even destroy Satan.
Satan is a sinner and all sinners pay the price of sin: death
Satan will have No resurrection from death but be destroyed forever as all the wicked will be destroyed forever.- Psalm 92 v 7
Excellent post.
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