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So you don't think it's right to tell someone they can't murder on someone that doesn't share that conviction? Or do you have limits on that?
By law, and secular conviction, abortion is not murder. Because your faith causes you to think so does not make it a matter that they are convicted of nor even necessarily true. I may, and do, tell people that I think we should be looking for other options than terminating pregnancy in almost all cases, but I will not advocate making that civil law because it is my religious conviction.
I am hopeful that the current legislation concerning abortion after 20 weeks will havve enough support to pass now or in the near future. I believe there is a good case for extending protection to the developing fetus that far.
By law, and secular conviction, abortion is not murder.
That has nothing to do with my point. I wasn't asking if you or anyone thinks it is murder.
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Because your faith causes you to think so does not make it a matter that they are convicted of nor even necessarily true. I may, and do, tell people that I think we should be looking for other options than terminating pregnancy in almost all cases, but I will not advocate making that civil law because it is my religious conviction.
I am hopeful that the current legislation concerning abortion after 20 weeks will havve enough support to pass now or in the near future. I believe there is a good case for extending protection to the developing fetus that far.
Some people don't think murder is bad. We disagree, and we have laws against such actions. So we both agree that yes--we can pass laws to limit the actions of people that don't share our religious views.
That has nothing to do with my point. I wasn't asking if you or anyone thinks it is murder.
Some people don't think murder is bad. We disagree, and we have laws against such actions. So we both agree that yes--we can pass laws to limit the actions of people that don't share our religious views.
And the point is that allowing murder of functioning persons is demonstrably bad for social order. It is a secular conclusion, not a purely religious one. The difference is where on the scale of single cell to live birth would a reasonable secular person agree that the fetus should have protection extended to it as opposed to the right of a woman to control her own body.
And the point is that allowing murder of functioning persons is demonstrably bad for social order. It is a secular conclusion, not a purely religious one. The difference is where on the scale of single cell to live birth would a reasonable secular person agree that the fetus should have protection extended to it as opposed to the right of a woman to control her own body.
Regardless of how you come to the conclusion, we do legislate according to morality. You may not think you have a right to tell a woman not to kill her baby, but many of us do.
Regardless of how you come to the conclusion, we do legislate according to morality. You may not think you have a right to tell a woman not to kill her baby, but many of us do.
I agree. Murder is murder no matter who does it or what you call it. I consider every abortion a murder and everyone who had a part in one a murderer. I have even fired people who worked for me when I found out they were pro-murder. I have not tolerance for murder or those who support it in any form.
Regardless of how you come to the conclusion, we do legislate according to morality. You may not think you have a right to tell a woman not to kill her baby, but many of us do.
Then that answers my question about whether or not your faith advocates forcing purely religious perceptions on the general populace. Thank God we have no Inquisition in this country.
Who gives a rusty $#!% what a bunch of priests say about anything? Aren't they too busy covering for each others' acts of pedophilia to worry about crap like this?
Last I heard, we don't live in a theocracy. You want that, go live in the Middle East.
Fortunately your ignorant, incorrect opinion has no bearing in the real world.
By your "reasoning" Yahweh is the greatest murderer/abortionist that ever existed.
So you believe it's ok to commit murder. I accept that and it shows what you know of God.
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