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Old 11-09-2007, 10:53 AM
 
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See, I knew it was gonna come around to this .

Yes, I noticed the obviously gay couple. Here's the point in my mind: no church has the right to refuse anyone admittance to a service or to attend. As I said in another post, a gay man I know attends my former church.

However, what the commercial doesn't get into is what cg81 touched on. Yes, those who identify themselves as homosexual can attend church, but the church still needs to preach the word of God. It should not sugar-coat what God's word teaches on any subject. However, a church should still love any person and show them God's love and what God's word teaches and how to better understand themselves in light of God's word... what he expects from us in all aspects of our lives whether it's sin, finances, marriage, sex... whatever.

I did not know the UCoC approved of homosexual behavior. As they do and within that context, even though I don't agree, I don't see why the commercial should be banned.
I didn't say it should be banned. I simply asked if people would still think it was giving the right message if they knew the UCoC took a position of advocating homosexuality.

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It would be better, I think, to air the commercial, letting everyone know that everyone is welcome, but then follow through on what I outlined above. Then if they chose to leave, that's up to the individual.
But that's not the message of the commercial. People will undeniably get the impression that gay couples are welcome and affirmed in that church. When they go, they won't have any expectation that they will have to repent, and the church won't preach that they must.
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Old 11-09-2007, 01:04 PM
 
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What about the obviously gay couple?

The UCoC believes that homosexuality is a morally acceptable lifestyle. Do you still believe the message in the commercial is the right one?

Your question is confusing.
Are you implying that the UcoC is wrong?
Or that allowing a homosexual couple into church is wrong?
Or both?

I don't believe any repentant sinner should be kept away.
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Old 11-09-2007, 01:55 PM
 
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Your question is confusing.
Are you implying that the UcoC is wrong?
Or that allowing a homosexual couple into church is wrong?
Or both?

I don't believe any repentant sinner should be kept away.
I presume you viewed the commercial...? It does not show any repentant sinners being kept away. It shows certain people being "tossed" out of a church, with the underlying message being that they are not accepted in that particular church. Then the commercial alludes to how those same people are allowed in the UCoC, without the need to change who they are. That means the gay couple would be accepted in the UCoC as they are - no need to change, no need to repent. Whether the UCoC is wrong or right has nothing to do with the point I'm trying to make. I'm simply asking if people would still think the message of the commercial is "right" after learning that the UCoC considers homosexuality to be morally acceptable.

In other words, part of the message of the commercial seems to be this: There are churches in which gay couples are not permitted - but they are allowed in the UCoC without needing to repent or change.

I'm simply asking this: If people knew that is the position of the UCoC, would they still approve of the message in that commercial?
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Old 11-09-2007, 02:26 PM
 
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I presume you viewed the commercial...? It does not show any repentant sinners being kept away. It shows certain people being "tossed" out of a church, with the underlying message being that they are not accepted in that particular church. Then the commercial alludes to how those same people are allowed in the UCoC, without the need to change who they are. That means the gay couple would be accepted in the UCoC as they are - no need to change, no need to repent. Whether the UCoC is wrong or right has nothing to do with the point I'm trying to make. I'm simply asking if people would still think the message of the commercial is "right" after learning that the UCoC considers homosexuality to be morally acceptable.

In other words, part of the message of the commercial seems to be this: There are churches in which gay couples are not permitted - but they are allowed in the UCoC without needing to repent or change.

I'm simply asking this: If people knew that is the position of the UCoC, would they still approve of the message in that commercial?
In view of your description, no, I would not approve of the message of the commercial. Like I attempted to state before, anyone should be welcome in church, but it should be made very clear we have to make ourselves conform to what God expects from us and not just blithely live how we want and expect that just simply attending a chuch will take care of it for us.
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