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Old 07-09-2013, 11:22 AM
 
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Since ETers (those that believe in Eternal Torment) believe in a place called Hell where the wicked will have their flesh tormented for the rest of eternity, - what happens to these people:

Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

They have had all their flesh in the bellies of fowl. So it begs to question, how does it get back out of the fowl's bellies so it can be relocated to Hell where it can then be tormented for the rest of eternity? Now, I know some will say that Revelation is all figurative but a great deal of the Hell equation is derived from verses in the Book of Revelation, especially regarding the lake of fire.
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Old 07-09-2013, 11:24 AM
 
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I want to add, that I post this to have ETers look at what they call figurative compared to what they accept as non figurative.
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Old 07-09-2013, 11:58 AM
 
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Since ETers (those that believe in Eternal Torment) believe in a place called Hell where the wicked will have their flesh tormented for the rest of eternity, - what happens to these people:

Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

They have had all their flesh in the bellies of fowl. So it begs to question, how does it get back out of the fowl's bellies so it can be relocated to Hell where it can then be tormented for the rest of eternity? Now, I know some will say that Revelation is all figurative but a great deal of the Hell equation is derived from verses in the Book of Revelation, especially regarding the lake of fire.
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I want to add, that I post this to have ETers look at what they call figurative compared to what they accept as non figurative.
Everyone, both believers and unbelievers will be resurrected as is stated in the Bible.
Daniel 12:2 "Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28 "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29] and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
Whereas believers will be resurrected at different times; the Church Age believer will be resurrected before the Tribulation, and Old Testament saints and Tribulational martyrs will be resurrected when Christ returns at the end of the Tribulation, all unbelievers in the history of the human race will be resurrected together after the end of the Millennium.

Whether believer or unbeliever, God is able to recover the atoms of their bodies no matter how the body is disposed of. If a person is cremated and the dust of his body is scattered to the four winds, God can restore that body in resurrection with no trouble at all. The same is true of those whose bodies have been eaten by animals.

Is it any more difficult for God to resurrect the body of an unbeliever whose body has been eaten by an animal then it is for Him to resurrect the body of a believer whose body has been eaten by an animal? Of course not!!!


As for the matter of literal versus figurative interpretation, the golden rule of interpretative is;
When the plain sense of Scripture makes common sense, seek no other sense; therefore, take every word, at its primary, ordinary, usual, literal meaning unless the facts of the immediate context, studied in the light of related passages and axiomatic and fundamental truths, indicate clearly otherwise.
Biblical Research Studies Group-The Golden Rule of Interpretation

Those who ''believe in a place called hell?'' Does the Bible mention a place referred to as the lake of fire? 'Yes' or 'no'. You know the answer to that!!!

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Old 07-09-2013, 12:29 PM
 
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Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh

just looking at this verse is silly to be taken literal. A sword from the mouth will kill people. a sword does not fit in a persons mouth. ( except the sideshow guys at carnivals) And how will the handle fit in the mouth. do you really think the fowls will eat and be filled with their flesh? we seem to pick and choose what is literal and figurative.
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:49 PM
 
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Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh

just looking at this verse is silly to be taken literal. A sword from the mouth will kill people. a sword does not fit in a persons mouth. ( except the sideshow guys at carnivals) And how will the handle fit in the mouth. do you really think the fowls will eat and be filled with their flesh? we seem to pick and choose what is literal and figurative.
The sword which came from the mouth of Him (Revelation 19:21) refers to His spoken word. Jesus will slay with the word of His mouth the armies which are assembled to make war against Him.

Figurative language always refers to something literal.
Revelation 2:16 'Therefore repent; or else I am coming to you quickly, and I will make war against them with the sword of My mouth.

Revelation 2:12 "And to the angel of the church in Pergamum write: The One who has the sharp two-edged sword says this:
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Old 07-09-2013, 01:01 PM
 
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Since ETers (those that believe in Eternal Torment) believe in a place called Hell where the wicked will have their flesh tormented for the rest of eternity, - what happens to these people:

Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

They have had all their flesh in the bellies of fowl. So it begs to question, how does it get back out of the fowl's bellies so it can be relocated to Hell where it can then be tormented for the rest of eternity? Now, I know some will say that Revelation is all figurative but a great deal of the Hell equation is derived from verses in the Book of Revelation, especially regarding the lake of fire.
First of all most Christians accept what God has revealed about the "lake of fire" and those whom He will place there.

As for the flesh! It will return the same way it does for every other dead person. The dead will be resurected prior to the final judgement and the day they are cast into the lake of fire as God say's.
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Old 07-09-2013, 01:02 PM
 
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Everyone, both believers and unbelievers will be resurrected as is stated in the Bible.
Daniel 12:2 "Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28 "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29] and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
Whereas believers will be resurrected at different times; the Church Age believer will be resurrected before the Tribulation, and Old Testament saints and Tribulational martyrs will be resurrected when Christ returns at the end of the Tribulation, all unbelievers in the history of the human race will be resurrected together after the end of the Millennium.

Whether believer or unbeliever, God is able to recover the atoms of their bodies no matter how the body is disposed of. If a person is cremated and the dust of his body is scattered to the four winds, God can restore that body in resurrection with no trouble at all. The same is true of those whose bodies have been eaten by animals.

Is it any more difficult for God to resurrect the body of an unbeliever whose body has been eaten by an animal then it is for Him to resurrect the body of a believer whose body has been eaten by an animal? Of course not!!!


As for the matter of literal versus figurative interpretation, the golden rule of interpretative is;
When the plain sense of Scripture makes common sense, seek no other sense; therefore, take every word, at its primary, ordinary, usual, literal meaning unless the facts of the immediate context, studied in the light of related passages and axiomatic and fundamental truths, indicate clearly otherwise.
Biblical Research Studies Group-The Golden Rule of Interpretation

Those who ''believe in a place called hell?'' Does the Bible mention a place referred to as the lake of fire? 'Yes' or 'no'. You know the answer to that!!!
YOu expect an honest answer from GHers?
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Old 07-09-2013, 01:13 PM
 
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Everyone, both believers and unbelievers will be resurrected as is stated in the Bible.
Daniel 12:2 "Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28 "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29] and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
Whereas believers will be resurrected at different times; the Church Age believer will be resurrected before the Tribulation, and Old Testament saints and Tribulational martyrs will be resurrected when Christ returns at the end of the Tribulation, all unbelievers in the history of the human race will be resurrected together after the end of the Millennium.

Whether believer or unbeliever, God is able to recover the atoms of their bodies no matter how the body is disposed of. If a person is cremated and the dust of his body is scattered to the four winds, God can restore that body in resurrection with no trouble at all. The same is true of those whose bodies have been eaten by animals.

Is it any more difficult for God to resurrect the body of an unbeliever whose body has been eaten by an animal then it is for Him to resurrect the body of a believer whose body has been eaten by an animal? Of course not!!!


As for the matter of literal versus figurative interpretation, the golden rule of interpretative is;
When the plain sense of Scripture makes common sense, seek no other sense; therefore, take every word, at its primary, ordinary, usual, literal meaning unless the facts of the immediate context, studied in the light of related passages and axiomatic and fundamental truths, indicate clearly otherwise.
Biblical Research Studies Group-The Golden Rule of Interpretation

Those who ''believe in a place called hell?'' Does the Bible mention a place referred to as the lake of fire? 'Yes' or 'no'. You know the answer to that!!!
Well then answer this question Mike, is this flesh that the birds consumed the flesh of those before or after the judgement?
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Old 07-09-2013, 01:15 PM
 
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The sword which came from the mouth of Him (Revelation 19:21) refers to His spoken word. Jesus will slay with the word of His mouth the armies which are assembled to make war against Him.

Figurative language always refers to something literal.
Revelation 2:16 'Therefore repent; or else I am coming to you quickly, and I will make war against them with the sword of My mouth.

Revelation 2:12 "And to the angel of the church in Pergamum write: The One who has the sharp two-edged sword says this:
Mike, are you saying this Sword mentioned in Revelation is not a literal sword? But is figurative for the Word of God?
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Old 07-09-2013, 01:16 PM
 
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First of all most Christians accept what God has revealed about the "lake of fire" and those whom He will place there.

As for the flesh! It will return the same way it does for every other dead person. The dead will be resurected prior to the final judgement and the day they are cast into the lake of fire as God say's.
So, is this even of the birds eating the flesh before or after the Judgement?
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