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Old 07-10-2013, 07:15 PM
 
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Q. "Why did God curse the ground/earth at Adam and Eve's fall from grace?

I can understand why He cursed the serpent (Gen. 3:14), Satan (3:15), the woman (3:16) and Adam (3:17-19) for their part in the disobedience, but why the ground itself?

Genesis 3:17-19
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[SIZE=3]17 [/SIZE]And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
[SIZE=3]18 [/SIZE]Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
[SIZE=3]19 [/SIZE]In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:19 PM
 
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It is a beautiful poem. It is allegoric and it will be difficult if you try to take this literally.

It summarizes God's creation and it had to be this way. MAN cannot live in the Garden forever, it does not make sense.
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:12 PM
 
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Q. "Why did God curse the ground/earth at Adam and Eve's fall from grace?

I can understand why He cursed the serpent (Gen. 3:14), Satan (3:15), the woman (3:16) and Adam (3:17-19) for their part in the disobedience, but why the ground itself?

Genesis 3:17-19
King James Version (KJV)

[SIZE=3]17 [/SIZE]And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
[SIZE=3]18 [/SIZE]Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
[SIZE=3]19 [/SIZE]In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Because God made Adam to be the federal heir of Earth. He was the head of Earth. When Earth's head fell, the whole world fell. (romans 5:19)


Joseph Prince - Why Are There Calamities In This World If God Is Love? - 3 October 2010 - YouTube
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:16 PM
 
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It is a beautiful poem. It is allegoric and it will be difficult if you try to take this literally.

It summarizes God's creation and it had to be this way. MAN cannot live in the Garden forever, it does not make sense.
Why not? God placed Adam in a finished work. The world you see today is not a world shaped by God's hands. It is the result of the fall of man. The world you see today is the best man can do over 6000 or so years. So to say it doesn't make sense for man to live in the garden of Eden forever is doubting God to create a place well enough to be our home forever. For all we know the garden of Eden was infinitely more glorious than any city you see today. Just outside of the garden was a place filled with gold. If a place outside the garden was filled with gold what do you suppose was in the garden?
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:31 PM
 
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"Cursing the ground" is an allegory in Genesis. It focuses on the fact that God provided and blessed everything Adam/Eve (mankind) 'touched' in the Garden of Eden. Everything was productive and fruitful.

Instead of trusting and depending on God, however, Adam and Eve (mankind) rejected God's Lordship and provision, in favor of their own autonomy and "godhead." At that point, God gave them and all of mankind the freedom of 'choice' ... and of the consequences of the choices they make.

Of course God knew that this would happen, but, it was necessary to set-up a world in which true choices and consequences (such as the choice to love or not love) were established.
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:50 PM
 
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Q. "Why did God curse the ground/earth at Adam and Eve's fall from grace?

I can understand why He cursed the serpent (Gen. 3:14), Satan (3:15), the woman (3:16) and Adam (3:17-19) for their part in the disobedience, but why the ground itself?

Genesis 3:17-19
King James Version (KJV)

[SIZE=3]17 [/SIZE]And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
[SIZE=3]18 [/SIZE]Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
[SIZE=3]19 [/SIZE]In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Where does it state that Satan was in the Garden?...
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:51 PM
 
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Default Hmmm. well OK then; if you say so. but still... hmmm....

OK then: Just so I fully understand here: as per Genesis, you folks posting here actually believe, fully and literally, that the entire universe, including earth, was formed a mere 6000 years ago? In one week? Completed and perfect?

(You DO know that the universe is still very much under both ongoing construction of new galaxies and the like, and coincidental destruction, even as we speak and can easily observe, yes? Just curious if you guys are up to date on modern, not medieval, astronomy!)

So He made it all up instantly, including all the organisms, plant and animal, that now inhabit this earth? With no Evolution or any other device or process to support the obvious 60+ million known species (as counted so far, with another 20 M likely out there as yet undiscovered, and another 100 M estimated to have gone extinct to date? Wow!) species diversity? Nope: just those originating from what Noah had tricked into boarding onto his small under-powered and leaky barge. No food, no water, no windows, no sanitation. The boy had absolutely amazing powers of persuasion, to be sure!

Wow! Quite the guy! Not to mention all those confusing and millions-of-years old-accurately dated fossils. With absolutely no evolution of distinct new species, no extinct animals, no geological changes?

And then later there was a globally inundating super-fludd, achieved in a mere 40 days, with an impossibly fierce production of as-yet unaccounted-for water sources, and from which all now-living organisms later conveniently survived and then arose, including all the marine and fresh-water organisms, fish and all aquatic and terrestrial plants and animals that would have obviously been totally devastated and thus lost in a gross inter-mixing of the oceanic salinity and all the fresh waters of this earth?

Hmmm. Plus then God disposed of all that water in just a few weeks? Where DID He hide it I wonder....

Very interesting conclusions indeed. Grossly irrational, and technically, atmospherically, geologically, ecologically and astronomically impossible, but still;

Everyone to their own opinions, no matter how poorly reasoned through, huh guys?

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Old 07-10-2013, 08:56 PM
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Why not? God placed Adam in a finished work. The world you see today is not a world shaped by God's hands. It is the result of the fall of man. The world you see today is the best man can do over 6000 or so years. So to say it doesn't make sense for man to live in the garden of Eden forever is doubting God to create a place well enough to be our home forever. For all we know the garden of Eden was infinitely more glorious than any city you see today. Just outside of the garden was a place filled with gold. If a place outside the garden was filled with gold what do you suppose was in the garden?
Are you really one of those people who believes the Earth is only 6000 or so years old?
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Old 07-10-2013, 09:07 PM
 
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Are you really one of those people who believes the Earth is only 6000 or so years old?

Maybe man is...
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Old 07-10-2013, 09:30 PM
 
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^No, man's Fall apparently started essentially about 10,000 years ago.
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