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Old 07-21-2013, 09:51 PM
 
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Exactly! Why concern yourself with the impossible. For we Christians in this age of Grace to not be ruptured then God would be a liar and everything in scripture would be false so there would be no reason to be concerned about any of it.
Yes. The believer is to look forward to the coming of the Lord for His bride at the rapture. Not to dread the coming of the Tribulation which the Church will never go through. The pre-tribulational rapture is a source of encouragement and comfort for the believer.
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Old 07-22-2013, 04:01 AM
 
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Did you know there has only ever been one place of safety and it is a spiritual place?
Did you know that your flesh is not safe from corruption and is going to return to dust?
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Old 07-22-2013, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Gettysburg, PA
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I agree on observing the Sabbath. For instance, I personally don't go shopping on the Sabbath. I would in an emergency, but it's never come up yet.
Interesting perspective.
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God loves it when you do His will.

.

It is nice to see some attestations of some people still adhering to what God has ordained for us to do on the Sabbath day, to honor Him. Just a couple days ago, I finally had a conversation with someone who also shares my beliefs concerning the Lord's day, and it was such a wonderful conversation. For a while I was feeling like I was all alone out here with that idea and way of living. It's just nice to have support and to be able to talk to someone who shares my own perspective about things.

In regards to fleeing only at the first signs, personally I feel that if that is what the Scripture has revealed to you then that is what you should do; it is my belief that that then is what God wants you to do for a reason which is only known to Him.

I haven't come to a conclusion yet on the rapture because I have not gotten through reading the Bible in it's entirety, but I do not see how what you stated couldn't be what will happen: that if in fact there is a rapture, then no matter where you are then you will be caught up in it if you have genuine belief (which no one can tell of one another but God).

[And it is just a simple fact that no one say whether there will be a rapture or not with absolute certainty: one can believe it all they want, but there is still the fact that it has not happened yet. Just because someone believes something does not make it true. It still has to happen. That is why faith is so difficult now in an age where there is so much evidence for all sorts of things. What has to happen pretty much is a miracle (which in my opinion is what actually happens) for someone to have genuine belief with everything out in the world today pointing to how there is absolutely no evidence for it. I mean, if that is what someone needs, I can't see how their faith is going to endure; but then I am not in any position to determine something like that].
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:23 PM
 
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It is nice to see some attestations of some people still adhering to what God has ordained for us to do on the Sabbath day, to honor Him. Just a couple days ago, I finally had a conversation with someone who also shares my beliefs concerning the Lord's day, and it was such a wonderful conversation. For a while I was feeling like I was all alone out here with that idea and way of living. It's just nice to have support and to be able to talk to someone who shares my own perspective about things.

In regards to fleeing only at the first signs, personally I feel that if that is what the Scripture has revealed to you then that is what you should do; it is my belief that that then is what God wants you to do for a reason which is only known to Him.

I haven't come to a conclusion yet on the rapture because I have not gotten through reading the Bible in it's entirety, but I do not see how what you stated couldn't be what will happen: that if in fact there is a rapture, then no matter where you are then you will be caught up in it if you have genuine belief (which no one can tell of one another but God).

[And it is just a simple fact that no one say whether there will be a rapture or not with absolute certainty: one can believe it all they want, but there is still the fact that it has not happened yet. Just because someone believes something does not make it true. It still has to happen. That is why faith is so difficult now in an age where there is so much evidence for all sorts of things. What has to happen pretty much is a miracle (which in my opinion is what actually happens) for someone to have genuine belief with everything out in the world today pointing to how there is absolutely no evidence for it. I mean, if that is what someone needs, I can't see how their faith is going to endure; but then I am not in any position to determine something like that].

Not only do I try to adhere to the sabbath, I also try to adhere to the OT dietary guidelines. I avoid pork, shellfish, squid, etc. whenever possible. Science backs up the Bible on this, in that those foods are not particularly healthful, regardless of what popular culture is telling us.

P.S. - I don't say any of this to aggrandize myself, but only to encourage others of like mind.
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Old 07-23-2013, 09:59 AM
 
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Wow,

My Brothers and Sisters,

Please give thought.

We as Christains are given the Gospel
Armore to fight. Not flee, Not to be spared
To be in Service of the Lord. We are to fight.
Fight what what you say. False Theaching .
Scripture is clear. In the book of Revelation there
Is only 7 cronological events that bring on our
Lords 2 nd commimg.

Did ya'll hear that.

Let me say it again.

Think about this now.

The book of Revalation records 7 events all
In order. Of our Lords returnning 2 nd advent.
On the 7th Trump, 7th Seal,, 7th Vial

So did ya'll hear that.

Think about this.

Two Thousand Years ago, we had the walking word
That would be the 1st advent.

Did ya'll hear that.

Our Fathers not happy with false teachers.
It misleads His Children.

Now concider He is only comming one more time
That would be the 2 nd advent. To set up the
Meliniom the Kingdom to Come.
The third Earth Age.

The Rapture Doctrine would be false teaching
The ones fleeing to the moutains are the fools
In bed with Satan pushing his doctrine.
(The Rapture )

In the book John recorded "Revelation"
He bares wittness to the Lords Day
The Lords Day is the 2nd advent.

In Revelation 5
Jesus takes the scrolls, that records these 7 events.

Revelation 6-7
Gives 6 of the 7 seals

Revelation 8
Gives the seventh seal
And begins the 7 trumps

Revelation 8-9
Gives 6 of the 7 trumps

Revelation 11
Gives the seventh trumpet

Revelation 15-16
Gives the 7 vials

So now,
What we have is 7 events.

Trumpets/ sound the alarm in Heaven of the event
that takes place.

Seals/ are the knolage of the events.

Vials/ are the cup of wrath poured on a sinfull nation.

Jesus 2nd comming is on 777
Thats the 7th seal, 7th trump, 7th vial.

Now pay close attention class.

The Antichrist, Satan,Apollion,Abadon, Lucerfer
Are what ever you want to call Him. The Devil

Comes on 666 ( listen up rapture nuts)

Dont be leading our Fathers Children into Satan bed.
You will be held accountible
No Rapture. No Fleeing. Stay and fight. Fight what
We are in a Spiritaul War. You that preach this False Doctrine.
Are the problim and will be dealt with.

Now take Heed, thus says the Lord.

Ezekiel 13:17-23


Now then

Lets go to Jesus teaching on this matter

Please turn to Matthew 24
Please read this whole chapture. Jesus words in red

Then please turn to Mark 13

Now then read this whole chapture you Rapture nuts.
Our Fathers not happy with this false teaching.

Lets see no where here does it mention running with
The gospel armor on. Theres the first seal though.
Take heed no one deceives you.

Ya'll ever heard of the hour of temptation.
Here it is.Mark 13:9 read it folks. This is what we are to do.
Fight, Fight,Fight.

Ya'll ever heard of the Great Falling Away.

Read 13:9

Brother will betray brother? What, to Death..
Death is another name for Satan he comes first.

That when unlearned family members gos to worship
Satan thinking he is Jesus but its (THE ANTICHRIST)
Preety boy floyds message: come worship me I've come
To fly you away spare you the tribulation.

Yea the church gets spared. If you studie to show
Yourself aproved. Then you wont fall for this rapture doctrine.

6 comes befor 7 folks ask your 2 nd grader.

666 antichrist comes.
777 our lords 2nd advent

Our Fathers not happy with this false doctrine
(Rapture)

Ok Satan dont care if you confest Christianity
As long as you miss the mark.
Humm wonder how many on this thread
Knows what the mark of the beast is.
Satan deceives the whole world .
Better pay attention folks

Read 13:13 but he who endures to the end shall be saved.
Didnt say. By hiding, running.fleeing

But stay and fight.

Now Brothers and Sisters
Here comes the great tribulation the antichrist

13:14

Those that are in bed pushing his doctrine
Rapture.the abomination of desolation.
On 666

You see folks, Satans going to have a big church.
Satans commimg as Jesus. Peacfuly to fly you away.

Our Lord comes on 777 to set up the kingdom to come.
We aint going anywher . Meet in the air just means in our spirit body.

Moven on.

13:17 but woe to those who are pregnant and those who
Are nursing babies in those days.

What this scripture means folks is this.

A wedding of two getting together is because they become
one with thier children.

Jesus is comming back as a groom for his bride
us. But if your already with child ( nursing Satans Doctrine)
Fly away, Rapture.
6 comes befor 7

13:18 and pray your flight is not in winter.
Your just simply harvested out of season.

Read this warnning carefuly

Mark 13:21-23

Now if you have ears to hear.
You should be our Fathers elect.

That know better then to worship the antichrist
Durring the tribulation. The hour of temptation

Now read Mark 13:32-37

If your in your flesh and you see on tv radio Jesus
Is here. And or your chuech says lets go his here.
Well now.

Ibe
Ibe a Disciple of Jesus Christ
Ibe in His Service
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Old 07-23-2013, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Exactly! Why concern yourself with the impossible. For we Christians in this age of Grace to not be ruptured then God would be a liar and everything in scripture would be false so there would be no reason to be concerned about any of it.
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Yes. The believer is to look forward to the coming of the Lord for His bride at the rapture. Not to dread the coming of the Tribulation which the Church will never go through. The pre-tribulational rapture is a source of encouragement and comfort for the believer.
For if the dead rise not, then not even Christ has been raised.
And if Christ has not been raised, then your faith would be in vain.


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Old 07-24-2013, 03:10 AM
 
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Originally Posted by IbeWishing View Post
Wow,

My Brothers and Sisters,

Please give thought.

We as Christains are given the Gospel
Armore to fight. Not flee, Not to be spared
To be in Service of the Lord. We are to fight.
Fight what what you say. False Theaching .
Scripture is clear. In the book of Revelation there
Is only 7 cronological events that bring on our
Lords 2 nd commimg.

Did ya'll hear that.

Let me say it again.

Think about this now.

The book of Revalation records 7 events all
In order. Of our Lords returnning 2 nd advent.
On the 7th Trump, 7th Seal,, 7th Vial

So did ya'll hear that.

Think about this.

Two Thousand Years ago, we had the walking word
That would be the 1st advent.

Did ya'll hear that.

Our Fathers not happy with false teachers.
It misleads His Children.

Now concider He is only comming one more time
That would be the 2 nd advent. To set up the
Meliniom the Kingdom to Come.
The third Earth Age.

The Rapture Doctrine would be false teaching
The ones fleeing to the moutains are the fools
In bed with Satan pushing his doctrine.
(The Rapture )

In the book John recorded "Revelation"
He bares wittness to the Lords Day
The Lords Day is the 2nd advent.

In Revelation 5
Jesus takes the scrolls, that records these 7 events.

Revelation 6-7
Gives 6 of the 7 seals

Revelation 8
Gives the seventh seal
And begins the 7 trumps

Revelation 8-9
Gives 6 of the 7 trumps

Revelation 11
Gives the seventh trumpet

Revelation 15-16
Gives the 7 vials

So now,
What we have is 7 events.

Trumpets/ sound the alarm in Heaven of the event
that takes place.

Seals/ are the knolage of the events.

Vials/ are the cup of wrath poured on a sinfull nation.

Jesus 2nd comming is on 777
Thats the 7th seal, 7th trump, 7th vial.

Now pay close attention class.

The Antichrist, Satan,Apollion,Abadon, Lucerfer
Are what ever you want to call Him. The Devil

Comes on 666 ( listen up rapture nuts)

Dont be leading our Fathers Children into Satan bed.
You will be held accountible
No Rapture. No Fleeing. Stay and fight. Fight what
We are in a Spiritaul War. You that preach this False Doctrine.
Are the problim and will be dealt with.

Now take Heed, thus says the Lord.

Ezekiel 13:17-23


Now then

Lets go to Jesus teaching on this matter

Please turn to Matthew 24
Please read this whole chapture. Jesus words in red

Then please turn to Mark 13

Now then read this whole chapture you Rapture nuts.
Our Fathers not happy with this false teaching.

Lets see no where here does it mention running with
The gospel armor on. Theres the first seal though.
Take heed no one deceives you.

Ya'll ever heard of the hour of temptation.
Here it is.Mark 13:9 read it folks. This is what we are to do.
Fight, Fight,Fight.

Ya'll ever heard of the Great Falling Away.

Read 13:9

Brother will betray brother? What, to Death..
Death is another name for Satan he comes first.

That when unlearned family members gos to worship
Satan thinking he is Jesus but its (THE ANTICHRIST)
Preety boy floyds message: come worship me I've come
To fly you away spare you the tribulation.

Yea the church gets spared. If you studie to show
Yourself aproved. Then you wont fall for this rapture doctrine.

6 comes befor 7 folks ask your 2 nd grader.

666 antichrist comes.
777 our lords 2nd advent

Our Fathers not happy with this false doctrine
(Rapture)

Ok Satan dont care if you confest Christianity
As long as you miss the mark.
Humm wonder how many on this thread
Knows what the mark of the beast is.
Satan deceives the whole world .
Better pay attention folks

Read 13:13 but he who endures to the end shall be saved.
Didnt say. By hiding, running.fleeing

But stay and fight.

Now Brothers and Sisters
Here comes the great tribulation the antichrist

13:14

Those that are in bed pushing his doctrine
Rapture.the abomination of desolation.
On 666

You see folks, Satans going to have a big church.
Satans commimg as Jesus. Peacfuly to fly you away.

Our Lord comes on 777 to set up the kingdom to come.
We aint going anywher . Meet in the air just means in our spirit body.

Moven on.

13:17 but woe to those who are pregnant and those who
Are nursing babies in those days.

What this scripture means folks is this.

A wedding of two getting together is because they become
one with thier children.

Jesus is comming back as a groom for his bride
us. But if your already with child ( nursing Satans Doctrine)
Fly away, Rapture.
6 comes befor 7

13:18 and pray your flight is not in winter.
Your just simply harvested out of season.

Read this warnning carefuly

Mark 13:21-23

Now if you have ears to hear.
You should be our Fathers elect.

That know better then to worship the antichrist
Durring the tribulation. The hour of temptation

Now read Mark 13:32-37

If your in your flesh and you see on tv radio Jesus
Is here. And or your chuech says lets go his here.
Well now.

Ibe
Ibe a Disciple of Jesus Christ
Ibe in His Service
Lets try this one folks.

Matthew 24:40
Then two men will be in the field: one will be
Taken ( raptured) and the other left.

Only twice Jesus comes. Never in 54 years of my life
Have Ive been showen where he is planning a third trip.

7 events folks,,,, take heed of Satans church.

666 Satan comes claimming to be Jesus ( tribulation)
Its the hour of temptation.

Our Lord and Savior comes on 777

Mark 13:37 And what I say to you,
I say to all: WATCH!

Ibe
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Old 07-27-2013, 06:55 PM
 
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Did you know there has only ever been one place of safety and it is a spiritual place?
Did you know that your flesh is not safe from corruption and is going to return to dust?
Before the Israelites left Egypt they had a place of safety behind closed doors surrounded by lamb's blood.
Their flesh did not return to the dust at that time frame. That arrangement was temporary.
Isaiah wrote about interior rooms being a place of safety at Isaiah 26 v 20.
Please also note at Matthew [ 25 vs 31,32 ] at this coming 'time of separation' the sheep and goats are alive on earth.
The humble sheep do not return to dust but remain alive right into the start of Jesus messianic millennial reign over earth.
Their flesh [ physical life ] is safe from corruption because during Jesus' millennial-long day of reigning over earth our last enemy 'death' will be no more.- Rev. 21 vs 4,5; 1st Cor. 15 v 26; Isaiah 25 v 8
Those humble sheep-like ones can gain everlasting life right here on a beautiful paradisaic earth.
On earth forever according to Psalm 37 vs 11, 29.
Thus, fulfilling God's original purpose to have earth become like the Garden of Eden filled with righteous people.
Jesus fulfills God's promise to Abraham that all families of earth would be blessed, and all nations of earth will be blessed.
[ Genesis 12 v 3; 22 v 18 ] Blessed with healing or curing of earth's nations. Note a returning of the Genesis 'tree of life' at Revelation 22 v 2.
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Old 07-27-2013, 07:06 PM
 
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Lets try this one folks.
Matthew 24:40
Then two men will be in the field: one will be
Taken ( raptured) and the other left.
Mark 13:37 And what I say to you,
I say to all: WATCH!
Ibe
Where does the word 'rapture' appear ?

The two taken at verses 40,41 can be in a spiritual sense.
However, if not in a spiritual sense, taken where, left where ?
Could be taken away as in being cut off from earth as the wicked will be according to Proverbs 2 vs 21,22; 10 v 30; 21 v 18
Those who 'remain' [ Prov. 2 v 21 ] 'or who are left' are the upright ones.
Who remain here on earth forever according to Psalm 37 vs 11,29 ?__________
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Old 07-27-2013, 07:21 PM
 
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Matthew 4:4

Greetings from Ibe,

Nowhere in our letter.

The one's taken will be worshiping Satan
On 666. Thinking its the real Christ.

Jesus come's on 777

Is the theaching of Matthew 24

No Rapture

Stay and fight

Ibe
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