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Sorry but I just don't get this avid defense of such a heinous doctrine. It has NO impact on our salvation or belief in Christ whatsoever. I really don't get the tenacity with which so many come to its defense . . . as if they were defending Christ or God. It is a fear-based motivation to do what we are psychologically incapable of doing . . . choosing what we believe. Talk about a waste of effort!! We believe what we believe and our choices have nothing to do with it. We can claim to accept various "precepts and doctrines of men" . . . but that has nothing to do with what we truly believe in our heart of hearts. So what's the deal? Why such focus on defending such a heinous doctrine???.
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right....so why bother with caring about what God thinks? Let's just live it up, party, and kill each other! We're all saved anyway!
It is not caring about what God thinks . . . it is becoming what we are supposed to become and doing what God Wills us to do. If your state of mind is such that you want to "live it up, party and kill each other" . . . there is probably little hope for your soul regardless what you claim to accept or believe, Vizio.
It is not caring about what God thinks . . . it is becoming what we are supposed to become and doing what God Wills us to do. If your state of mind is such that you want to "live it up, party and kill each other" . . . there is probably little hope for your soul regardless what you claim to accept or believe, Vizio.
That sounds so nice and idealistic, doesn't it?
Imagine how sad it must be for God....he gives universal salvation to the entire world....when about .5% of the people in the world actually care to live for him! Wow, that's quite the Holy, Just, Mighty God you serve!
Right! And read the whole book. He is CLEARLY saying that not all humans are saved. Read it with an open mind. It's not complicated.
Death and Hades (the place of the dead) are thrown into hell. Read a good translation--not the KJV. He's saying there will be no more death. So will sinners.
My mind is much more open now that I see that "all" really means "all" and not "just our little group." "..that Christ may be all in all" really means all and everywhere. Everything giving glory to God. Not some. Not a percentage. All. No one left out. No one hiding somewhere. Christ will be all in all because the entire creation (including those you have condemned already) have been shown grace and the glory of Christ in us all.
Death will be done away with. There will be no more tears. (Don't you think there would be a few tears in hell?)
So the conclusion that we can "live it up" and "get our fill of sin" is really erroneous. Paul clearly points out in ch. 6 of Romans that the great Grace given to us should mean that we seek that, rather than living the dead ways of the past.
BTW: did you know, that if you have a debt to pay, and someone pays it for you, then you are debt-free? Even if you don't believe it?
right....so why bother with caring about what God thinks? Let's just live it up, party, and kill each other! We're all saved anyway!
Why would anyone who has seen God want to do that?. Obviously your salvation is based upon avoiding eternal hell. If it were not for avoiding eternal hell,You would be indulging in all that you consider sin and disapprove of and condemn.
Imagine how sad it must be for God....he gives universal salvation to the entire world....when about .5% of the people in the world actually care to live for him! Wow, that's quite the Holy, Just, Mighty God you serve!
If he does give universal salvation to everyone, everyone will have eternity to learn how to live for him while in his presence rather than just a measly 1 to 120 years on a confusing/fallen planet full of different religions and ideas. If you think God gives everyone a fair chance to "live for Him" in their lifetimes, then I think you've lost your mind. Plus, God creating a system where he knows only .5% of all people on the planet are saved is even more far fetched...so much for "grace abounding even more."
If he does give universal salvation to everyone, everyone will have eternity to learn how to live for him while in his presence rather than just a measly 1 to 120 years on a confusing/fallen planet full of different religions and ideas. If you think God gives everyone a fair chance to "live for Him" in their lifetimes, then I think you've lost your mind. Plus, God creating a system where he knows only .5% of all people on the planet are saved is even more far fetched...so much for "grace abounding even more."
Why would anyone who has seen God want to do that?. Obviously your salvation is based upon avoiding eternal hell. If it were not for avoiding eternal hell,You would be indulging in all that you consider sin and disapprove of and condemn.
It is not caring about what God thinks . . . it is becoming what we are supposed to become and doing what God Wills us to do. If your state of mind is such that you want to "live it up, party and kill each other" . . . there is probably little hope for your soul regardless what you claim to accept or believe, Vizio.
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Originally Posted by Vizio
That sounds so nice and idealistic, doesn't it?
Imagine how sad it must be for God....he gives universal salvation to the entire world....when about .5% of the people in the world actually care to live for him! Wow, that's quite the Holy, Just, Mighty God you serve!
You certainly have a low opinion of the power of God, Vizio . . . if you think He is so impotent that so few will be affected when confronted by the consuming fire of His pure love for us all. I am confident that I will enjoy the cover of Christ's perfect love thanks to my practicing what He commanded His disciples to do . . . "love God and each other." How confident are you that your professed beliefs ABOUT Him will do the same?
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