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Originally Posted by cupper3
Love is earned not demanded. Once it is demanded, it is not real. As abused partners relationship know, demanded love is abusive.
If this God demands love then that God is abusive . That God can show that love is earned that is an entire different question.
The Bible keeps showing that this God demands love not that he earns it.
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Originally Posted by Vizio
Says who?
Says who?
He deserves it...since he created you.
Anyone who has counseled or had to deal with abused children or a partner in a relationship can tell you that what I've said is true. It is a control issue and a power issue that is exactly what the Bible says God does when he demands love.
Actually it was when my father's sperm met my mother's egg that I was created. The biological process that the Bible used when it tells a story about Jesus being conceived by a virgin.
Anyone who has counseled or had to deal with abused children or a partner in a relationship can tell you that what I've said is true. It is a control issue and a power issue that is exactly what the Bible says God does when he demands love.
Ahh....so according to cupper's life experiences, we ought to accept this point.
Umm...no. The difference is, of course, that the scumbags that would abuse children are not sinless beings, as God is.
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Actually it was when my father's sperm met my mother's egg that I was created. The biological process that the Bible used when it tells a story about Jesus being conceived by a virgin.
God knew you before then. He died on a cross for your salvation -- if only you would turn to him. That is what love is. Greater love has no man, than to lay down his life for him. But hey....the all-knowing cupper3 has spoken!
Love is earned not demanded. Once it is demanded, it is not real. As abused partners relationship know, demanded love is abusive.
If this God demands love then that God is abusive . That God can show that love is earned that is an entire different question.
The Bible keeps showing that this God demands love not that he earns it.
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Originally Posted by Vizio
He deserves it...since he created you.
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Originally Posted by cupper3
Anyone who has counseled or had to deal with abused children or a partner in a relationship can tell you that what I've said is true. It is a control issue and a power issue that is exactly what the Bible says God does when he demands love.
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Originally Posted by cupper3
Demanding love is abusive. Earning it is not.
What the fundamentalists do not understand about love is that it MUST be entirely voluntary and cannot be faked. This eliminates ALL the rules and enforcement protocols of the churches for controlling their members . . . that is why it is ignored and denied. Love can not be demanded nor forced . . . nor threatened into existence. We come to God willingly or not at all. We try to "love God and each other" daily and repent when we don't . . . or we do not. There is nothing anyone else can or should do about it.
People act like God is so nice, and he can be, but that is not all he is. I believe, in fact it is shown, that he has human emotions magnified to (wait for it.... :-P ) god-like levels. Which means he is capable of great passion, great love, but also great anger and rage. In his own words he is a jealous God, he is a vengeful God. Just like men, who was made in his image, he is not just one thing.
The lack of psychological knowledge and understanding is a major drawback in understanding God. All the negative human emotions and traits are the result of our human psychological weaknesses. God has none of those weaknesses . . . so God has none of those emotions. Jealousy, anger, vengeance, greed, lust, envy, pride, etc. are ALL strictly human weaknesses, period. Our ignorant savage ancestors described God in the image of their human rulers . . . as that was all they knew as authority figures.
In my opinion, the command to "love God" is not quite what some think it is.
This command is for OUR benefit.
How can you love something with all of your heart, all of your mind, all of your soul..... if you do not even KNOW what the object of your love actually IS?
The command is a PUSH for us to seek and come to KNOW the true character of our Creator. Which IS love. God IS LOVE.
And the second command:
Love your neighbor as yourself.
So basically, Seek out and come to know what LOVE truly is. Seek it and begin to know it, Seek it and immerse yourself in it. Then take that knowledge, and spread it outward.
I'm not sure what that has to do with of the biblical God demanding love.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
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God IS love and asks us to join with Him by loving Him and each other.
That is not "demanding" anything.
Unearned and unconditional.
Last edited by june 7th; 09-11-2013 at 09:00 AM..
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