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Old 08-02-2013, 10:21 PM
 
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Well, perhaps you could address the question I posed concerning verse 22? "What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?…" What is the difference in "preparation" of "vessels of wrath" and "vessels of mercy?"

How could you know the value of me giving you $100 if you don't know what money is and have nothing to compare it to?...
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Old 08-02-2013, 10:23 PM
 
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How could you know the value of me giving you $100 if you don't know what money is and have nothing to compare it to?...
Again, not addressing the question: What is the difference in "preparation" between "vessels of wrath" and "vessels of mercy?"
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Old 08-02-2013, 10:29 PM
 
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Again, not addressing the question: What is the difference in "preparation" between "vessels of wrath" and "vessels of mercy?"

God's sovreign choice...The world is a stage and all the men and women merely players...
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Old 08-02-2013, 10:33 PM
 
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God's sovreign choice...The world is a stage and all the men and women merely players...
You are not being specific: are you saying now that God pre-destines individually both vessels of destruction and vessels of mercy?
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Old 08-02-2013, 10:38 PM
 
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You are not being specific: are you saying now that God pre-destines individually both vessels of destruction and vessels of mercy?

According to Romans 9 it looks as though He does...
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Old 08-02-2013, 10:48 PM
 
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According to Romans 9 it looks as though He does...
Well, that's what I am trying to determine and to make sense of Twin-spin's assertion that only the elect are pre-destined.

BUT, if both are individually "chosen," what is the point of "patience" with individual "vessels of wrath" when they are going to be destroyed anyway? I can see patience with a classification if they individually have the capacity to change status.
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Old 08-02-2013, 10:56 PM
 
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Well, that's what I am trying to determine and to make sense of Twin-spin's assertion that only the elect are pre-destined.

BUT, if both are individually "chosen," what is the point of "patience" with individual "vessels of wrath" when they are going to be destroyed anyway? I can see patience with a classification if they individually have the capacity to change status.

According to God's justice they deserve immediate destruction, however, how could the objects of His mercy know what He has done for them if there is nothing to compare it to?...How could you know the difference between good and evil if evil did not exist?...
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Old 08-02-2013, 11:05 PM
 
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According to God's justice they deserve immediate destruction, however, how could the objects of His mercy know what He has done for them if there is nothing to compare it to?...How could you know the difference between good and evil if evil did not exist?...
Once again, the question is concerning "patience" exhibited toward the "vessels of wrath."
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Old 08-02-2013, 11:24 PM
 
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Once again, the question is concerning "patience" exhibited toward the "vessels of wrath."

You are not understanding my replies...
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Old 08-03-2013, 12:47 AM
 
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You are not understanding my replies...
When they don't seem to be replying to the question, but to random questions that have not been asked how can you blame me? Connect the answer to the question and maybe I'll do better.
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