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The Bible itself says, “Stephen, filled with the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at God’s right hand. ‘Look! I can see heaven thrown open,’ he said, ‘and the Son of man standing at the right hand of God.’”—Acts 7:55,56 The New Jerusalem Bible. What did this vision reveal? Filled with God’s active force, Stephen saw Jesus “standing at God’s right hand.” Clearly, then, Jesus did not become God again after his resurrection to heaven but, rather, a distinct spiritual being. There is no mention of a third person next to God in this account. Despite attempts to find passages of Scripture to support the Trinity dogma, Dominican priest Marie-Émile Boismard wrote in his book À l’aube du christianisme—La naissance des dogmes [At the Dawn of Christianity—The Birth of Dogmas]: “The statement that there are three persons in the one God . . . cannot be read anywhere in the New Testament.”
Yes, there is no three persons. The "Holy Spirit" is THE Spirit of the Father Himself which He imparts to those that He begets. This is typed in the flesh whereby we as men can impart our flesh to those we beget. In the Epistles of Clement it is recorded that the "flesh" is a type of the spirit. From the scriptures we can see that "spirit" is a reference to BEING. In other words, it reflects behavior and attitude. It is the very thing that makes You - YOU. It is what is defined as your PERSON. So the Holy Spirit is not by itself - it is the very PERSON of the Father Himself (GOD). So while Jesus is a PERSON and the Father is a PERSON, they both have the SAME PERSON which is the Father's PERSON which is the Holy Spirit. Now because it is in Christ as His Spirit, then His Spirit is bearing Witness (meaning that His Spirit is congruent with) along with the Father's Spirit that He is indeed the Son of God.
Therefore, knowing this, at the core of Satan's effort, would be an undermining of this understanding in order to destroy the foundation for which understanding comes.
in short ...The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
Faith is to believe in what you can not see, therefore to attempt to rationalize way the existence of Triune God is to prove one is not a child of God nor has the true faith.
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And perhaps the person who thinks he has "the Spirit" but who has never objectively investigated the Old and New Testament's origin and teachings might be gullible or simply deluded. How would one know if he just believes what makes him feel good?
Perhaps the Koran, or the Book of Mormon, or the Bhagavad Gita or the Veda are the guide to the true faith.
1 Thes 5:21 "...but test everything; hold fast to what is good."
If you just "believe" without adequate investigation you'll never know, will you?
And perhaps the person who thinks he has "the Spirit" but who has never objectively investigated the Old and New Testament's origin and teachings might be gullible or simply deluded. How would one know if he just believes what makes him feel good?
Perhaps the Koran, or the Book of Mormon, or the Bhagavad Gita or the Veda are the guide to the true faith.
1 Thes 5:21 "...but test everything; hold fast to what is good."
If you just "believe" without adequate investigation you'll never know, will you?
Which what makes you quoting the Bible at best so non creditable that it makes this a case for rambling
Yes, there is no three persons. The "Holy Spirit" is THE Spirit of the Father Himself which He imparts to those that He begets. This is typed in the flesh whereby we as men can impart our flesh to those we beget. In the Epistles of Clement it is recorded that the "flesh" is a type of the spirit. From the scriptures we can see that "spirit" is a reference to BEING. In other words, it reflects behavior and attitude. It is the very thing that makes You - YOU. It is what is defined as your PERSON. So the Holy Spirit is not by itself - it is the very PERSON of the Father Himself (GOD). So while Jesus is a PERSON and the Father is a PERSON, they both have the SAME PERSON which is the Father's PERSON which is the Holy Spirit. Now because it is in Christ as His Spirit, then His Spirit is bearing Witness (meaning that His Spirit is congruent with) along with the Father's Spirit that He is indeed the Son of God.
Therefore, knowing this, at the core of Satan's effort, would be an undermining of this understanding in order to destroy the foundation for which understanding comes.
That is simply not true that the "Holy Spirit" is THE Spirit of the Father .... for in the original post, scripture has distinctly the Holy Spirit with these attributes: Acts 5:2-4 (liedto)
“Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit ... You have not lied just to human beings but to God.” ... Acts 5-2-4
Matthew 12:32,Mark 3:29 (blasphemed against)
.. anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come." ... Matthew 12:32
" but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.” ... Mark 3:29
Mark 13:2, 11: (He speaks)
the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” ... Mark 13:2
"Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit." ... Mark 13:11
Acts 7:51 (He has been historically resisted)
You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit! ... Acts 7:51
Acts 20:23 (He warns)
" I only know that in every city the Holy Spirit warns me that prison and hardships are facing me. " ... Acts 20:23
Ephesians 4:30 (Warning about grieve against)
"And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.." ... Ephesians 4:30
Yes, there is no three persons. The "Holy Spirit" is THE Spirit of the Father Himself which He imparts to those that He begets. This is typed in the flesh whereby we as men can impart our flesh to those we beget. In the Epistles of Clement it is recorded that the "flesh" is a type of the spirit. From the scriptures we can see that "spirit" is a reference to BEING. In other words, it reflects behavior and attitude. It is the very thing that makes You - YOU. It is what is defined as your PERSON. So the Holy Spirit is not by itself - it is the very PERSON of the Father Himself (GOD). So while Jesus is a PERSON and the Father is a PERSON, they both have the SAME PERSON which is the Father's PERSON which is the Holy Spirit. Now because it is in Christ as His Spirit, then His Spirit is bearing Witness (meaning that His Spirit is congruent with) along with the Father's Spirit that He is indeed the Son of God.
Therefore, knowing this, at the core of Satan's effort, would be an undermining of this understanding in order to destroy the foundation for which understanding comes.
This is a superb post and is right on target, trettep. This is the absolute truth about the Holy Spirit and how it is in Jesus and through Him is in us . . . thus we are all one in the Father. The problem is too many of us reject its promptings for worldly or carnal reasons . . . called "excuses." It isn't that we do not know what is Christlike behavior and attitudes. It is that we prefer those that tickle our ears and provide excuses for us not to have to BE Christlike . . .like "easy believism." Trying to "love God and each other" daily and repenting when we don't is too much work. Fortunately the tickle ear doctrine says we don't need to do any "works" . . . problem solved.
God is speaking at Numbers 11 v 16 and in verses 17 and 25 God refers to His spirit at ' it '.
'It' is a neuter. In Greek language grammar a neuter [it ] can be referred to as he or she,
Even in English a neuter such as a ship or boat can be referred to as 'she' although not a person.
Psalm 104 v 30 has God's spirit as something that God possesses. When God sends forth his spirit....
In the KJV Bible at Romans 8 vs 16 and 26 spirit is mentioned in connection to God's spirit as recognized as being neuter: itself.
God is speaking at Numbers 11 v 16 and in verses 17 and 25 God refers to His spirit at ' it '.
'It' is a neuter. In Greek language grammar a neuter [it ] can be referred to as he or she,
Even in English a neuter such as a ship or boat can be referred to as 'she' although not a person.
Psalm 104 v 30 has God's spirit as something that God possesses. When God sends forth his spirit....
In the KJV Bible at Romans 8 vs 16 and 26 spirit is mentioned in connection to God's spirit as recognized as being neuter: itself.
I'm sure you think you know what you're talking about .....
The Bible teach the Trinity not in a systematic way but in a personal way.
The disciples of Christ received the teaching of the Trinity by religious experience through being in Christ.
Therefore, Christians also after them would receive the teaching in the same way.
Jesus reveals God to us. That's his job. It's the reason why he has the appellation of "the Word" ( John 1:1,18).
Jesus affirms monotheism. The belief in an only one deity.He believes that this one God is the only true God and other deities are false but he didn't just affirmed that for he also affirmed that this single God is his own Dad ( John 5:18, 17:3; 1 Corinthians 8:6).
Jesus' sonship is now deemed to be the proof of his godhood. Although he is a Son, it doesn't mean there's an another God and hence, two Gods but as it is, there's still only one God because this Son is the Wisdom per se of the one God.
Again, there is an another person who is God yet God is still one. How then could this be? It is because the Son of the Father is his own Wisdom per se ( 1 Corinthians 1:24-25, Hebrews 1:3).
The trait Wisdom of the Father is equally a person like him ( because it's his own Son)and equally God in nature like him ( because he is from him , in his very being).
In what way is Jesus God's Wisdom? According to the plain scripture, he is God's Wisdom literally. Let me explain:
The Son is the Wisdom of the Father per se means that God doesn't need experiential knowledge to make sensible decisions and judgments in a situation because he could make all sensible decisions and judgments in all his activities via his Son ( Luke 11:49-Matt. 23:24, 1 Cor. 1:24-Col. 1:16-17, Heb. 1:3-Wisdom 7:25,26). Both Jesus' claims of Divinity and of Sophilology ensues his Apostles to identify him as the Divine Wisdom in the flesh. The personified attribute in the Old Testament Scriptures had began to be understood as a real person in the New Testament.This fact remains strict monotheism despite of plurality of person within the Jewish Deity.
This fact shows that God is totally unlike us, that he's indeed incomparable to humans( Isaiah 46:5).
Conclusion:
It is very possible and logical according to the Scriptures to have a single deity existing in three personalities based on New Testament Wisdom Theology.
The Holy Spirit is consubstantial with the Father and the Son because he equally shares in the one name of them which is YHWH per Matthew 28:19. God’s name expresses his nature per Exodus 3:14 and hence, the nature of the Holy Spirit is divine for he has a divine name per se.
The Personality of the Holy Spirit
The Holy Spirit is a person because he is said to be Christ’s vicar on earth in the role of Comforter which in Greek it is styled as “ allon parakleton” of Christ per John 14:16. Christ is a person and he has a role of being our Comforter and hence, the Holy Spirit is a person too for he is an “another Comforter” like Christ, who is without a doubt ,a person.
The Holy Spirit in the immanent Trinity
In the economic Trinity, the Son is “the Life” of men while in the Immanent Trinity, the Holy Spirit, in his very title,is “the life’ of the Father and the Son. ( John 1:4, 1:14, Matthew 28:19).
The Life of the Father and the Son is a person too and hence, he is a living life per se.
The Holy Spirit in the economic Trinity
In the economic Trinity, the Holy Spirit is the divine Co-Creator with the Father and the Son and Co-Savior of the elect via sanctification (1 Peter 1:2, 2 Peter 1:4).
The Holy Spirit is consubstantial with the Father and the Son because he equally shares in the one name of them which is YHWH per Matthew 28:19. God’s name expresses his nature per Exodus 3:14 and hence, the nature of the Holy Spirit is divine for he has a divine name per se.
The Personality of the Holy Spirit
The Holy Spirit is a person because he is said to be Christ’s vicar on earth in the role of Comforter which in Greek it is styled as “ allon parakleton” of Christ per John 14:16. Christ is a person and he has a role of being our Comforter and hence, the Holy Spirit is a person too for he is an “another Comforter” like Christ, who is without a doubt ,a person.
The Holy Spirit in the immanent Trinity
In the economic Trinity, the Son is “the Life” of men while in the Immanent Trinity, the Holy Spirit, in his very title,is “the life’ of the Father and the Son. ( John 1:4, 1:14, Matthew 28:19).
The Life of the Father and the Son is a person too and hence, he is a living life per se.
The Holy Spirit in the economic Trinity
In the economic Trinity, the Holy Spirit is the divine Co-Creator with the Father and the Son and Co-Savior of the elect via sanctification (1 Peter 1:2, 2 Peter 1:4).
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Judaism, which produced the Bible, is a strictly monotheistic religion which believed in only one divine person, not three. The original Christians held the same view. Thus early Christians were allowed to remain a sect within orthodix Judaism since there were a number of messiah-candidates and Judaism allowed different opinions on this subject.
But once Christians began to claim Jesus himself was divine and and they broke with Jewish beliefs, they were expelled as apostates ("minim") from the Jewish synagogues. (see The 18 Benedications andCouncil of Jamail) This happened around 85 AD and there are several references to it in John's gospel (written after 95 AD).
See Geneis 1: 2 "Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters"
The "spirit of God" is God the Father, not a different divine person.
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How does the bible teach the trinity?
Oooppsss,... I forgot the Spirit. HEre we goes:
