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Old 08-24-2013, 02:03 PM
 
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ONE GOD (SINGULAR)
Deuteronomy 4:35 “You were shown these things so that you might know that the LORD is God; besides him there is no other.”

1 Kings 8:16 “so that all the peoples of the earth may know thatthe LORD is God and that there is no other”....
also found in:
  • Isaiah 44:8, Isaiah 45:5, 6, 14, 18
  • Isaiah 45:22 “Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other
  • Isaiah 46:9
  • Joel 2:27
  • Mark 12:32
Yet the same God who speaks of himself in the singular, refers to himself in the plural

SINGULAR GOD, PLURAL REFERANCE TO HIMSELF

Isaiah 6:8 "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?"—
Genesis 1:26 "Let usmake man in our own image"
Genesis 3:22 "The man has now become like one of us,knowing good and evil."
Genesis 11:7 inwhich God says, "Let us go down and confuse their language."

Since there is only one God, who is called God?



The Father is called God
  • Galatians 1:1, Revelations 1:6
The Son is called God
  • John 1:1: 20:28, Rom 9:5, 1 John 5:20
The Holy Spirit is called God
The Holy Spirit is the third person of the trinity because he is lied to, blasphemed against, He speaks, He is resisted, He warns among other things:
Acts 5:2-4 (lied to)
“Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit ... You have not lied just to human beings but to God.” ... Acts 5-2-4
Matthew 12:32, Mark 3:29 (blasphemed against)
.. anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come." ... Matthew 12:32

" but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.” ... Mark 3:29
Mark 13:2, 11: (He speaks)
the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” ... Mark 13:2

"Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit." ... Mark 13:11
Acts 7:51 (He has been historically resisted)
You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit! ... Acts 7:51
Acts 20:23 (He warns)
I only know that in every city the Holy Spirit warns me that prison and hardships are facing me. ... Acts 20:23
Then of course the obvious mention of the existence of the "Trinity"
Matthew 28:19

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of
  1. the Father
  2. and of the Son
  3. and of the Holy Spirit,
and the closet NT word used for our coined word "trinity" ..... deity
Colossians 2:9
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,

-------------------- conclusion ...................................

The "Trinity" though a coined word, the teaching of the trinity is present and is one of those teachings which is the very thing that separates true believers from the false believer \ unbeliever:
1 Corinthians 2:10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.

1 Corinthians 2:14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but
considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only
through the Spirit



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Old 08-24-2013, 02:46 PM
 
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Good coverage of an often divisive, yet, foundational Christian principle. The deity (Godhead) of Christ is at the very heart of His eternal claims, authority, promises and power. As such, the Triune nature of God is also a central theme of scripture, even though, as you pointed out, the 'term Trinity' is a coined phrase. (Of course, even "Christian" is somewhat of coined phrase, lest we deviate too far down that path).

The problem many have with the 'Trinity' is the lack a frame-of-reference for a three-in-one and one-in-three being (but, then, who really comprehends God?). Even physics battle the concept by recognizing that two things cannot occupy the same space. While we similarly have no 'tangible' frame-of-reference for the Holy Spirit, folks tend to have less heartburn with God's presence in the indwelling Holy Spirit. This may be because man’s direct accountability to the Holy Spirit remains a little more ambiguous in the minds of many.

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Old 08-24-2013, 02:47 PM
 
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You should avail yourself of ANE religion and the concept of the Divine Council as well as the term Elohim and redaction. As such you would not make such erroneous conclusions.

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Old 08-24-2013, 03:20 PM
 
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Still the one and only God Creator, wanted wanted from the beginning a family from the man human , which is the reason the devil is a menace in the earth against life , and Jesus because sovereign Son of God fulfilling the promise and allowing the people who had the blessing of Isaac salvation to be saved and out of the bosom of Abraham , and then the Christians from the gentiles to be saved to be in the family of God , and then protected souls to be collected for God to heaven to be His family which would be sovereign , ...... See one of the sin which Jesus proclaims was the number of the beast which some religions of the world keep which rejects Jesus as part of God and makes the number 363 , or 366 which reject Jesus and Holy Spirit , or some reject all of God and make themselves God with the number 666, were God is not man number but three in the trinity 333
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Old 08-24-2013, 03:38 PM
 
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I don't disagree with anything the Bible has to say about the Father, Son or Holy Ghost. I could quote from the Bible to support my belief in the Godhead just as effectively as someone else could quote from it to support his belief in the Trinity. What bothers me is that my belief in what the Bible has to say about God is insufficient, according to some Christians. In addition to believing what the Bible has to say about God, I must also believe what the Nicene and Athanasian Creeds say about God. If these Creeds add nothing to what the Bible teaches, why must I buy into them?
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Old 08-24-2013, 04:43 PM
 
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God's word does not teach any sort of "trinity"!


There is only ONE place in all of God's word that explains how The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit are one....and it's explained by Jesus Christ Himself.

Once you understand what Jesus tells us, then we will know not only how the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one...but we will also know how ALL of God's children are also one with them in the same way.

The answer can be found right there in the pages of your bible.


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Old 08-24-2013, 05:01 PM
 
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Originally Posted by jghorton View Post
Good coverage of an often divisive, yet, foundational Christian principle. The deity (Godhead) of Christ is at the very heart of His eternal claims, authority, promises and power. As such, the Triune nature of God is also a central theme of scripture, even though, as you pointed out, the 'term Trinity' is a coined phrase. (Of course, even "Christian" is somewhat of coined phrase, lest we deviate too far down that path).

The problem many have with the 'Trinity' is the lack a frame-of-reference for a three-in-one and one-in-three being (but, then, who really comprehends God?). Even physics battle the concept by recognizing that two things cannot occupy the same space. While we similarly have no 'tangible' frame-of-reference for the Holy Spirit, folks tend to have less heartburn with God's presence in the indwelling Holy Spirit. This may be because manís direct accountability to the Holy Spirit remains a little more ambiguous in the minds of many.
The problem with the Trinity is the the Holy Spirit is not a 3rd person. It is the very personhood of the Father Himself.
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Old 08-24-2013, 05:10 PM
 
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God is spirit. God is Holy. No one has seen him. Yet we are to believe there is a separate entity called the Holy Spirit? This makes zero sense. He gives many the spirit of holiness, the ability to perform in accordance with the Will of God at certain times. So we have the Father who is Holy and a Spirit. We have another Spirit who Is Holy, but not called the Father. And then we have the Son, who before His incarnation was most likely a spirit, and ??? Holy? Yet they are all 3 separate entities. So there were 3 spirits that knew the exact information and agreed on everything from the get go, tho no one can even fathom eternity which has no beginning. That is NOT Logical, to borrow from Mr. Spock.
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Old 08-24-2013, 05:49 PM
 
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The problem with the Trinity is the the Holy Spirit is not a 3rd person. It is the very personhood of the Father Himself.
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Old 08-24-2013, 06:07 PM
 
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The Hebrew word for "God" is Elohim. Elohim literally translates into "Gods" and not "God". So throughout the Bible, when the English (or even the Greek) says "God" you can and should insert "Gods".

Elohim is the notorious "singular plural." Now if you want to know how that works exactly and what it means ... it entirely depends on what theological lens you want to look through. It could mean lots of different things. It could establish the Trinity as absolute if you're a Trinitarian. It could completely debunk the Trinity if you are a non-Trinitarian. But since that is what the original reference and text for actually said, "Gods" is how we should be reading it. Every reference in the Original Post should be reread with that in mind.

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