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Old 09-03-2013, 12:10 PM
 
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You actually believe that demons make people do evil things?


And you say there are many demons and devils? And only one God to deal with so many evil ones?


God is all mighty and if God is all mighty there are no demons or devils. To believe in demons and devils means that there are other entities that interfere with God. That in itself diminishes God and by definition God cannot be diminished.


This is the reason why I made a thread about medieval thinking.
The bible clearly states Lucifer (the devil now) is real, as well as demons. They aren't few in numbers either. The bible said 1 man had 2000 demons in him and the demons referred to themselves as legion, which means of great numbers. The bible says 1/3 of the angels in Heaven waged war against God with Lucifer. I do not believe this number to be small because Lucifer obviously put his faith in numbers and his pride.
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Old 09-03-2013, 12:14 PM
 
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Satan and his demons have no power to 'force' us to do anything; God, likewise, will not force us to submit to His ways. However, the influences of both are greater and more real than anything those who get their information from video games, TV and movies realize. One of the greatest deceptions is found in the foolish belief that demons don't really exist.

Eph. 6:11-13 - 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age,[a] against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Amen! Anyone who has the Spirit is in the battle but anyone who has not the Spirit does not even have Eternal Life. They have a form of Godliness/self righteousness and deny the Power that allows us to see what is going on in the world and what we are up against but more importantly to have victory over sin that Satan uses to temp with, belittle/accuse and hold in bondage those who will not turn to Christ. Jesus both spoke of these things and did battle and said that in Him we would do battle also.

To think otherwise is delusional/death to the soul, calling Christ a liar and in affect do not know the true Christ nor His Good News of salvation from sin and Satan's temptations. So why even read the Bible if one does not even believe Christ. This life was made for struggle as is evident but victory in Christ not apart from Him.
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Old 09-03-2013, 02:14 PM
 
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The bible clearly states Lucifer (the devil now) is real, as well as demons. They aren't few in numbers either. The bible said 1 man had 2000 demons in him and the demons referred to themselves as legion, which means of great numbers. The bible says 1/3 of the angels in Heaven waged war against God with Lucifer. I do not believe this number to be small because Lucifer obviously put his faith in numbers and his pride.
You are reading poetry.


You are reading the interpretation of primitive men.


On a metaphysical level there can't be an army that fights God. Nothing can fight God. Nothing competes with God. Your views diminish God.
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Old 09-03-2013, 02:58 PM
 
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You are reading poetry.


You are reading the interpretation of primitive men.


On a metaphysical level there can't be an army that fights God. Nothing can fight God. Nothing competes with God. Your views diminish God.
You are fighting God whether you believe it or not. Not believing in His word is an act of rebellion.
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Old 09-03-2013, 03:07 PM
 
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You are fighting God whether you believe it or not. Not believing in His word is an act of rebellion.
Sorry lucknow . . . the ONLY God's Word that exists is Jesus the Christ Living Word of God. The scriptures are USEFUL (profitable) for instruction . . . but they are NOT God's word. They are inspired by God which is a huge difference.
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Old 09-03-2013, 03:33 PM
 
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Sorry lucknow . . . the ONLY God's Word that exists is Jesus the Christ Living Word of God. The scriptures are USEFUL (profitable) for instruction . . . but they are NOT God's word. They are inspired by God which is a huge difference.
What a weird comment. The only reason that we know about Jesus, what He came for, what He accomplished, what He demands of His followers and really anything at all about God's plans and purposes for His creation is because it is written in His word. THE BIBLE.
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Old 09-03-2013, 04:43 PM
 
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What a weird comment. The only reason that we know about Jesus, what He came for, what He accomplished, what He demands of His followers and really anything at all about God's plans and purposes for His creation is because it is written in His word. THE BIBLE.
Amen! Amen!
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Old 09-03-2013, 05:14 PM
 
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What a weird comment. The only reason that we know about Jesus, what He came for, what He accomplished, what He demands of His followers and really anything at all about God's plans and purposes for His creation is because it is written in His word. THE BIBLE.
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Amen! Amen!
You can continue to ignore the New Covenant and operate under the OT . . . but the OT was to prepare us for and inform us about Christ and the New Testament.Under the New Covenant God has "written in our hearts" and we have the Holy Spirit (Comforter) to guide us to the truth written there. We have the life, teachings and death of Christ to give us Faith that He is the Living Word of God and abides with us. We do not need that anyone teach us and we need not rely of the words "written in ink." They are USEFUL . . . but NOT God's word and certainly NOT inerrant or infallible. We must read them spiritually using the "mind of Christ" . . . NOT the "mind of Jehovah (YHWH)." If what we read is not compatible with what Jesus would teach or do . . . it is NOT of God . . . it is man's wrong interpretation.
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Old 09-03-2013, 11:23 PM
 
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Cuss words and bad language---WHO tells us these words are bad or evil? We do. A word would only truly be bad or evil if the intentions of using it are to do harm. Why would anyone really believe that the word **** is evil? The words poop, caca, dung, fertilizer, refuse, etc aren't. They are all the same thing, smell the same, look the same, etc.---Not to be listed as a bad word or evil unless you are calling another this word. Don't follow the ways of demons and devils. Words are only bad if used for the intent to hurt another--otherwise be mature enough to ignore them if you don't prefer them. Grow up
what makes a cuss word bad is that we see the thing being referred to as "all bad".
no good anywhere in it. Fit only for damnation.

Its an example of all or nothing thinking.
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Old 09-03-2013, 11:31 PM
 
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While your belief in demons is unsupported . . . there is truth in the saying "Garbage in Garbage out" when it comes to what we will allow ourselves to read, watch, think about, etc. As a man thinks . . . so he is.

My thoughts exactly.
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