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If we found a remote island and gave the people on the island a bible with no religious denominational influence, what would they probably believe following the just bible in context.
THEY WOULD:
- know God created everything
- know not to worship other Gods
- know the story of creation, how sin entered the world, why God made laws, and what happened to those who didn't keep Gods laws through out the OT
- keep the Sabbath & keep the biblical Holy Days
- follow the dietary laws of the bible
- know tithing was food and not money and it was a OT law
- believe in the immaculate conception
- see the law is to point out their sin and shows a need for a savior
- confess with their mouth and believe Jesus is Lord to be saved
- know they are saved by grace as a free gift from God
- believe in Baptism and why they should be baptized
- know that the only way to the father is through Jesus only
- know Jesus died on the cross for their sins and rose from the grave on the 3rd day and ascended to heaven 40 days later to be at the right hand of his Father
- take up an offering on Sundays to help the needy and might come together to meet on a Sunday too
- believe Jesus is the Son of God and not God himself and the Holy Spirit is from God
- know Jesus is coming back again for his followers and we will give and account at the judgement seat of Christ before we go into the millennial reign with Christ and afterwards we enter eternity with him and God
- know that those who reject Christ will die in the lake of fire
-They would not have 30-40,000 different beliefs about the bible without denominational influences
If we found a remote island and gave the people on the island a bible with no religious denominational influence, what would they probably believe following the just bible in context.
THEY WOULD:
- know God created everything
- know not to worship other Gods
- know the story of creation, how sin entered the world, why God made laws, and what happened to those who didn't keep Gods laws through out the OT
- keep the Sabbath & keep the biblical Holy Days
- follow the dietary laws of the bible
- know tithing was food and not money and it was a OT law
If they only read the Torah they would keep the OT Law--including the Sabbath and dietary laws. Of course, the NT teaches us that the OT Law has been fulfilled and is not in effect for Christians.
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- believe in the immaculate conception
I think you are misunderstood on what this is. The immaculate conception teaches that Mary was conceived without sin. The reasoning is that she had to be holy in order to carry Christ in her womb.
I think you probably mean virgin birth, right?
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- see the law is to point out their sin and shows a need for a savior
- confess with their mouth and believe Jesus is Lord to be saved
- know they are saved by grace as a free gift from God
- believe in Baptism and why they should be baptized
- know that the only way to the father is through Jesus only
- know Jesus died on the cross for their sins and rose from the grave on the 3rd day and ascended to heaven 40 days later to be at the right hand of his Father
- take up an offering on Sundays to help the needy and might come together to meet on a Sunday too
This is all true.
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- believe Jesus is the Son of God and not God himself and the Holy Spirit is from God
Actually, if you read the NT letters, they are very clear that Jesus is definitely God. As is the book of Revelation. Not to mention the Gospels quoting Jesus stating he is God.
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- know Jesus is coming back again for his followers and we will give and account at the judgement seat of Christ before we go into the millennial reign with Christ and afterwards we enter eternity with him and God
- know that those who reject Christ will die in the lake of fire
-They would not have 30-40,000 different beliefs about the bible without denominational influences
Nonsense. Human beings what we are, a person on a deserted island would likely build 2-3 churches, after he split off from the last one over the color of the carpet or what the coconut-headed deacon wore to church. He might even have each church as a separate "denomination" since they are all independent...even if they teach the exact same thing theologically.
If the islanders had no religious influences, would that make them agnostics? Should we assume that this bible that shows up is something they are able to read and want to follow?
They might not be influenced by existing religious beliefs, but their culture may have a similar effect. How would they view the OT's prohibition of eating pork or having tattoos if they do both? Would that cause them to immediately find the bible incompatible with their lifestyle, or would they keep reading?
Also, if they've gone this long without inventing their own god or gods, how do we know that they will even embrace the concept of God?
If they only read the Torah they would keep the OT Law--including the Sabbath and dietary laws. Of course, the NT teaches us that the OT Law has been fulfilled and is not in effect for Christians.
I think you are misunderstood on what this is. The immaculate conception teaches that Mary was conceived without sin. The reasoning is that she had to be holy in order to carry Christ in her womb.
I think you probably mean virgin birth, right?
This is all true.
Actually, if you read the NT letters, they are very clear that Jesus is definitely God. As is the book of Revelation. Not to mention the Gospels quoting Jesus stating he is God.
Nonsense. Human beings what we are, a person on a deserted island would likely build 2-3 churches, after he split off from the last one over the color of the carpet or what the coconut-headed deacon wore to church. He might even have each church as a separate "denomination" since they are all independent...even if they teach the exact same thing theologically.
-It is the sacrificial and ceremonial laws that are not still effect from the OT, since Jesus was our perfect sacrifice, we don't need burnt offerings and animal sacrifices for our sins . They were ceremonial and fulfilled, but the moral laws still stand though.
-Yes I was referring to the Virgin birth, that they would believe Jesus was born of a Virgin form Matt 1 & Luke 1
-As for Jesus being God, Jesus always says he is not greater than the father, to pray to the father, he was ascending to the father,was sent by the father, had all power given to him by the father, and doesnt know when he is coming back, but the father does. With all those quotes from Jesus himself, I sometimes wonder why he didn't just straight out say he is God, or is it we are looking at verses out of context.
-And while you are right there might be some division by human nature, most of separations are due to all the supposed denominations taking scriptures out of context. If we just followed the bible without some else beliefs vs what the bible says it would be much easier to follow.
No disrespect but they'd probably wonder what this stuff was with the black squiggles on it. Eventually, the chief, or shaman, or wise woman, would realize that each page made great tinder for making fires.
-It is the sacrificial and ceremonial laws that are not still effect from the OT, since Jesus was our perfect sacrifice, we don't need burnt offerings and animal sacrifices for our sins . They were ceremonial and fulfilled, but the moral laws still stand though.
-Yes I was referring to the Virgin birth, that they would believe Jesus was born of a Virgin form Matt 1 & Luke 1
-As for Jesus being God, Jesus always says he is not greater than the father, to pray to the father, he was ascending to the father,was sent by the father, had all power given to him by the father, and doesnt know when he is coming back, but the father does. With all those quotes from Jesus himself, I sometimes wonder why he didn't just straight out say he is God, or is it we are looking at verses out of context.
Theologians call that the "Economic Trinity". Within the Trinity there are 3 persons. They are all 3 persons, but 1 God. The Son is sent by the Father...but he is not a separate being. Scripture does present all 3 as separate persons, but all 3 are presented as God.
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-And while you are right there might be some division by human nature, most of separations are due to all the supposed denominations taking scriptures out of context. If we just followed the bible without some else beliefs vs what the bible says it would be much easier to follow.
I disagree, actually. I think most separations are done by virtue of a new church plant, or a disagreement with church government and organizational structures.
Theologians call that the "Economic Trinity". Within the Trinity there are 3 persons. They are all 3 persons, but 1 God. The Son is sent by the Father...but he is not a separate being. Scripture does present all 3 as separate persons, but all 3 are presented as God.
I disagree, actually. I think most separations are done by virtue of a new church plant, or a disagreement with church government and organizational structures.
Yeah, I have seen church split over head coverings, how often to do communion and sadly the color of the new carpet<--IM DEAD SERIOUS TOO.
Hopefully, if they were able to read (Thanks for the lol, Troutdude) they would realize that the Bible is the story of the growing realization of one ethnic group as to the nature of and our relationship with God. That the life an ministry of Jesus is the culmination of that realization and that such relationships are not about law, but about love, a real concern for the well-being of everyone in their society.
Too many variables to know what they would believe. They might conclude it was the most tremendously nutty group of stories they'd ever heard, they might toss it back into the ocean because of the violence, they might use a hi-liter on all the parts with sex, they might wonder who would write a book with so many inconsistencies and contradictions, they might worship the book itself and pay no attention to the message. They might even decide that every single word in the book was the truth and decide they had to go invade the island next door. They could decide, based on what they've read in this book, that all the people on the next island over need to change everything about the way they live. Even though that island is full of people with their own stories and beliefs, have a workable society and are quite happy just the way they are.
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