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Old 09-30-2013, 05:11 PM
 
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Possibly because the name is written in the feminine form?
It wasnt all that uncommon for Roman names to end in the letter a. It really doesn't matter to me one way or another....other than that I am skeptical of reading into it what isn't there. The fact is, we don't know Junias gender, and the OP's first post hinged largely on the assumption it was female.
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Old 09-30-2013, 06:38 PM
 
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It wasnt all that uncommon for Roman names to end in the letter a. It really doesn't matter to me one way or another....other than that I am skeptical of reading into it what isn't there. The fact is, we don't know Junias gender, and the OP's first post hinged largely on the assumption it was female.
When the Genus was a proper name the suffix "ia" always denoted a feminine gender. Juno is a proper name . . . Junia is a female version of it.
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:44 PM
 
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Romans 16:7--Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow prisoners, who are of note among the Apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

The story of Junia is a sad one. Beginning in the 13th century, her memory was not only diluted, but the fact that she was an “outstanding” female apostle was hidden by medieval copyists who changed her name to the more male-sounding “Junias.” Since the truth has been recovered that Junia was clearly a woman, modern-complementarian translators and scholars now try to strip Junia of the title “apostle,” by concluding that she was merely known by the apostles or favored by the apostles, but could never have been deemed an apostle herself. This is a NEW interpretation. The fact that Paul was commending two apostles was never debated, only whether Junia was female or male, and even that debate did not start until the 13th century. The historical reading of this verse has always been that Junia was both a woman and an apostle. It’s important to note that the early church fathers who conceded to these facts were by no stretch of the imagination “egalitarians.” Many held degrading beliefs about women and their “divinely designated” position in life. But even they could not deny that Paul deemed this woman Junia to be an apostle, and an outstanding one at that.
You have read into this what you wanted to read into it. Women are not apostles.

Andronicus and Junia's ministry with Paul, and perhaps with Peter and some of the other apostles in Jerusalem before Paul was converted, was well known and appreciated by the apostles. They're being COMMENDED by the apostles, not being CALLED apostles.
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:58 PM
 
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Possibly because the name is written in the feminine form?

Just because it is written in the feminine form does not mean it is a female...
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Old 10-01-2013, 02:02 PM
 
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You have read into this what you wanted to read into it. Women are not apostles.

Andronicus and Junia's ministry with Paul, and perhaps with Peter and some of the other apostles in Jerusalem before Paul was converted, was well known and appreciated by the apostles. They're being COMMENDED by the apostles, not being CALLED apostles.

Yup...
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Old 10-01-2013, 02:02 PM
 
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Just because it is written in the feminine form does not mean it is a female...
When it is a proper name it DOES mean exactly that.
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Old 10-01-2013, 02:05 PM
 
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When it is a proper name it DOES mean exactly that.

I know some languages that have female sounding names but are male names...
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Old 10-01-2013, 02:11 PM
 
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Here is an interesting, and widely accepted, article from Bible.org regarding:

1) Is Junia a man or a woman?
2) Were Andronicus and Junia apostles or just "known among the apostles."

Junia Among the Apostles: The Double Identification Problem in Romans 16:7

For those who don't care enough to read the article, here's the gist of it:

1) Junia can be both male and female, depending on several things. The end result is that it can't be known with 100% certainty if Junia was male or female. The article insists that it's never good to go by speculation or assumptions and that the information available is "inadequate to make a decisive judgment, though what minimal data we do have suggests a feminine name."

2) "We must conclude that Andronicus and Junia were not apostles, but were known to the apostles."
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Old 10-01-2013, 02:17 PM
 
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"Women are not apostles?" "Apostle" only means someone who is sent out to bring the gospel to people who have not had it taught. Some women have been sent for that purpose. They are apostles.
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Old 10-01-2013, 02:18 PM
 
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Here is an interesting, and widely accepted, article from Bible.org regarding:

1) Is Junia a man or a woman?
2) Were Andronicus and Junia apostles or just "known among the apostles."

Junia Among the Apostles: The Double Identification Problem in Romans 16:7

For those who don't care enough to read the article, here's the gist of it:

1) Junia can be both male and female, depending on several things. The end result is that it can't be known with 100% certainty if Junia was male or female. The article insists that it's never good to go by speculation or assumptions and that the information available is "inadequate to make a decisive judgment, though what minimal data we do have suggests a feminine name."

2) "We must conclude that Andronicus and Junia were not apostles, but were known to the apostles."

The greek word means in, by, with...So I'd say no they were not apostles...
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