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Old 10-03-2013, 06:06 AM
 
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Where are you getting this extra non-Biblical information regarding Junia? How do you know if this person was male or female?
Romans 16:7
"Greet Andronicus and Junia my relatives who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was."

In commenting on Romans 16:7, early Church father John Chrysostom (347-407) states:

"Greet Andronicus and Junia...who are outstanding among the apostles: To be an apostle is something great! But to be outstanding among the apostles - just think what a wonderful song of praise that is! They were outstanding on the basis of their works and virtuous actions. Indeed, how great the wisdom of this woman must have been that she was even deemed worthy of the title of apostle."

-Other early church fathers referred to Junia as a female.

-Junias is not found anywhere as a male name in the first century however Junia and Julia were common.

-The name was understood as feminine until the 13th century.

-Ἰουνίαν (Junia) is found in ALL the greek manuscripts except 5, which have it as Ἰουλίαv (Julia)


Junia: The First Woman Apostle:

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Old 10-03-2013, 06:25 AM
 
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Some times through history, men have loved their dominant ego's more than they have loved their women. The male ego, especially in the past, has seemed to be more dominant than the female ego--thank you Jesus.

Some men came to believe that some how a woman's brain and heart are smaller.
Thank you to the men in this thread who have both brains and hearts.

Woman was made from the rib of man, she was not created from his head to top him, nor from his feet to be stepped upon, she was made from his side to be close to him, from beneath his arm to be protected by him, and near his heart to be loved by him.

Yeshua Bless You
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Old 10-03-2013, 06:27 AM
 
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As well as John Chrysostom, Jerome (340-419) and Origen of Alexandria (185-254) and also mention Junia as a female.

Chrysostom also mentions Phoebe and Priscilla, “These were noble women, hindered in no way by their sex...and this is as might be expected for in Christ Jesus there is neither male nor female.”

Origen of Alexandria (185-254) also commented on Phoebe:
“This text teaches with the authority of the Apostle that even women are instituted deacons in the Church. This is the function that was exercised in the church of Cenchreae by Phoebe, who was the object of high praise and recommendation by Paul...And thus this text teaches at the same time two things: that there are, as we have already said, women deacons in the church, and that women, who by their good works deserve to be praised by the apostle, ought to be accepted in the diaconate"
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Old 10-03-2013, 06:34 AM
 
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It wasnt all that uncommon for Roman names to end in the letter a. It really doesn't matter to me one way or another....other than that I am skeptical of reading into it what isn't there. The fact is, we don't know Junias gender, and the OP's first post hinged largely on the assumption it was female.
No assumption needed. It was written as a female name in all the earliest Greek manuscripts. Early church fathers Chrysostom, Origen and Jerome commented on it as well.
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Old 10-03-2013, 06:34 AM
 
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Just check Greek New Testament Nestle text. There are no variants to the name, and it is not Junia but instead Junian. I guess that show the OP is off, way off.
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Old 10-03-2013, 06:35 AM
 
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Just check Greek New Testament Nestle text. There are no variants to the name, and it is not Junia but instead Junian. I guess that show the OP is off, way off.
Nope. It is you who is 'off. Way off'. Unless you think most of the manuscripts before the 13th century were 'way off', early church fathers, and the vast majority of biblical scholars are 'way off' as well?


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Old 10-03-2013, 11:13 AM
 
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Just check Greek New Testament Nestle text. There are no variants to the name, and it is not Junia but instead Junian. I guess that show the OP is off, way off.
Augiedogie please ceck in to Greek cases and case forms.
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