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Old 10-12-2013, 01:19 PM
 
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The kingdom of God is now hidden in believers, it is not yet manifest, this will be at Christ second coming. The New Jerusalem is now in Heaven. The bible tells us that this city is not built by man but by God. It is part of the kingdom of God but it is not the same.

I do not know what you mean with prepared at the cross and sustained by the Spirit. You have a scripture?

The New Jerusalem comes down from Heaven, it is not the old or a new on this earth. It is part of the new creation of Heaven and earth.

Abraham saw 3 angels, one was the Lord Jesus in His preexistence.
Abraham saw three angels, one of whom was the arch angel Jehova who was sent directly by Christ. The arch angel stood in for Christ and received praise as Lord. Note that the appearance of the angels was a short spell. They manifested!

Agree that the kingdom of God is inside us but you need to know that it has also physically manifested. If it has not then Christ will have bee lieing when he said this generation shall not perish until these things are fulfilled. A spiritual generation is 2000 years so Christ should have been on his throne now. He will not answer the former name Jesus. He has come as a thief.

Now the kingdom is based on the blood he shed on the cross. It was after shedding that blood that he left the scene for God the Father to come. Christ is here and his Father is also here physically. You have to pray to him to reveal himself to you. If he does not call, you cannot come.

When they say it comes down from heaven dont expect to see a city dropping through the air
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Old 10-12-2013, 02:37 PM
 
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That's O.K. Marlbronn if you don't take the snatching away to meet the Lord in the air literally. Are the dead in Christ literally dead? Are they literally in their graves? Were the Thessalonians literally grieving over them? Of course the snatching away to MEET the Lord in the air is just as literal as all the literal points Paul brought up just prior. Paul does not intimate we will always be together with the Lord IN THE AIR. We meet Him in the air and then we will always be with Him wherever He takes us among the celestials.



Um, sorry to have to break this to ya but Christ is still alive and doesn't need to be re-born to enter the earth again.



Israel refers to a collective group of 12 tribes and refers at times to true Israelite believers. Please post the exact quote about the wicked husbandman.
Eusebius,

Paul had also written about been caught to the 3rd heaven and so using your reasoning Paul had eperienced rapture, huh? Know it for a fact that spiritual things can only be given spiritual interpretations.

There are so many things to be taken literally in the passage, including caught up to meet the Lord in the "air". The only problem I see is that I have air all around my earthly home. Matter of fact, I cannot exist without air. So if air exist on earth, and "so shall we ever be with Him", it stands to reason that the earth is the place where we shall ever be with the Lord. The redeeming of the earth was the reason he came to shed his blood. After shedding his blood and redeeming us, why would he take you out of the world? Where would he rule from?

The fact that Christ is living does not mean he cannot be born. Was he not living before he was born the first time?
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Old 10-13-2013, 01:41 AM
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Abraham saw three angels, one of whom was the arch angel Jehova who was sent directly by Christ. The arch angel stood in for Christ and received praise as Lord. Note that the appearance of the angels was a short spell. They manifested!

Agree that the kingdom of God is inside us but you need to know that it has also physically manifested. If it has not then Christ will have bee lieing when he said this generation shall not perish until these things are fulfilled. A spiritual generation is 2000 years so Christ should have been on his throne now. He will not answer the former name Jesus. He has come as a thief.

Now the kingdom is based on the blood he shed on the cross. It was after shedding that blood that he left the scene for God the Father to come. Christ is here and his Father is also here physically. You have to pray to him to reveal himself to you. If he does not call, you cannot come.

When they say it comes down from heaven dont expect to see a city dropping through the air
Where in the bible is an archangel Jehovah? Whenever an archangel is called Lord? The only archangel that wanted to be Lord is Lucifer who became Satan.
Jesus is not lying, you do not understand what He is saying. Why is there a spiritual generation of 2000 years? The timing of the coming of the Lord is in the hands of the Father. He has delayed the coming, because you and others are not ready. He loves you and expects every one to repent. Your philosophy has pulled you away from the truth. The bible is the word of God and agrees with the Spirit of God. Every one that thinks He can just believe what seems reasonable in his own eyes and has no foundation in the word of God, he builds his house on sand, and when the storm and rain comes, and it will come, it cannot stand.
Jesus Christ has not come physically, if you know someone who says so, it is a false Christ. Jesus told us how He would come and that has not yet happened. Satan is still on his throne in the second Heaven, I had a vision (some will saw an hallucination) and saw him there, he is not yet bound, I think every one that has senses and knows what is going on in this world will agree with this.
If you think the new creation of the new earth will be the same as ours, you err.
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Old 10-14-2013, 12:04 AM
 
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Paul had also written about been caught to the 3rd heaven and so using your reasoning Paul had eperienced rapture, huh?
Paul knew a man fourteen years ago (John) who was caught up, but not raptured.

"For we will be carried to a higher place of understanding, even while we yet live."
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Old 10-14-2013, 02:02 AM
 
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Paul knew a man fourteen years ago (John) who was caught up, but not raptured.

"For we will be carried to a higher place of understanding, even while we yet live."
Jerwade,
The key thing is the use of the word caught up, which folks think is a physical snatching up. Certainly no scriptural evidence of Paul or John rapturing.

So we need to understand that all references to the word caught up is spiritual and not physical. Also folks should understand 1 Thes 4, in the light of 1COR 15 which dealt in detail with the believers first and final resurrections. Jesus also had a definitive take on resurrection when he was confronted by the sadduces. From Christ's response it is clear that there is 1) resurrection of the dead and 2) final resurrection. Pauline rapture doctrine was a description of how the final resurrection would happen and he again addressed that with the Corinthians.

In summary, God is working to fix the world and his righteous servants will inherit the earth. They will rule and reign with him.
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Old 10-14-2013, 02:21 AM
 
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Matt 13:41-51
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.
47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.
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Old 10-14-2013, 03:12 AM
 
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Matt 13:41-51
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.
47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.
The evil ones will be gathered out and shall be killed. The righteous ones will remain and inherit the earth! This is the way it should be.
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Old 10-14-2013, 03:24 AM
 
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The evil ones will be gathered out and shall be killed. The righteous ones will remain and inherit the earth! This is the way it should be.
So being perfect before the LORD and without sin you feel pretty confident in your knowledge of what is good and what is evil?
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Old 10-14-2013, 03:46 AM
 
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So being perfect before the LORD and without sin you feel pretty confident in your knowledge of what is good and what is evil?
I am not the examiner. I do not set the questions; but I know that in any examination 50% is considered a pass mark, sometimes lower. God cannot expect perfection from humans. No teacher expects his students to get 100% in his exams.
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Old 10-16-2013, 02:48 PM
 
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I am not the examiner. I do not set the questions; but I know that in any examination 50% is considered a pass mark, sometimes lower. God cannot expect perfection from humans. No teacher expects his students to get 100% in his exams.
If you read the book then you might gain a little understanding-student
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