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Old 10-03-2013, 04:12 PM
 
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In the interest of absolute truth. God recognizes His perfection and right to be worshiped by those whom He created. And God has created us for His glory. He is worthy of all praise and glorification.
But, it makes God look shallow and vain.


I believe God does not need worship.


The worship is for our own benefit.
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Old 10-03-2013, 04:15 PM
 
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Nope.



Only gods invented by men require worship. Since obeisance was required by their earthly kings, emperors and rulers, they decided their god must require even more. Because men have egos, they think their god must have one - only larger and more difficult to satisfy.
Exactly! I cannot imagine why God would want worship./ Last time I checked God was not insecure or petty. I don;t think God demands worship as long as we behave in a Jesus like manner.

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To treat each other and other living things with respect. And maybe little appreciation would be nice.
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Old 10-03-2013, 04:20 PM
 
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He is omnipotent and does not "need" anything from us. But it does bring glory to his name when we worship him. He doesn't need it...but he does command it. We don't "add" glory to him--but we do glorify his name among men when we worship.
The worship benefit is for us. Worship does nothing for God.
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Old 10-03-2013, 04:21 PM
 
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If worship isn't for God, then why does He have the "four beasts" that sing "holy holy holy is the Lord God almighty who was and is and is to come" around His throne day and night? (Revelation something)

John 4:23 "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him."

Our worship exalts Him. You suggest that "we produce the state of mind in our consciousness that is "in tune" with God's and Christ's consciousness (Holy Spirit)."
We cannot ever, of ourselves, become "in tune" with God. It is the Spirit within us, that allows that connection.
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Old 10-03-2013, 04:28 PM
 
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Oh well . . . I tried. As long as your focus is on obedience to God you will miss the whole point. Worship does nothing FOR God.
Agreed. He doesn't NEED anything from us.
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It is NOT for God. It is for US. It is what it does to our state of mind that is valuable. "Be still and know that I am." By focusing on "love of God and each other" we produce the state of mind in our consciousness that is "in tune" with God's and Christ's consciousness (Holy Spirit). That is its purpose. Glory is a human fabrication of the ego.
Got a verse for that?
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Old 10-03-2013, 04:34 PM
 
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Agreed. He doesn't NEED anything from us.


Got a verse for that?
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The NT was written by men from another era that had a primitive view of God.


It is not so much what the bible says. This is about common sense and we as humans received common sense from God. And obviously God has common sense too. God needs no worship, that is common sense.

God may want people to worship for their own benefit. Gor gets nothing from the worship. The benefit goes to the people doing the worship.
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Old 10-03-2013, 04:40 PM
 
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Vizio:


The NT was written by men from another era that had a primitive view of God.
It's inspired by God.
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It is not so much what the bible says. This is about common sense and we as humans received common sense from God. And obviously God has common sense too. God needs no worship, that is common sense.
I agree that God needs no worship.
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God may want people to worship for their own benefit. Gor gets nothing from the worship. The benefit goes to the people doing the worship.
I agree--God does want us to worship him and that it benefits us. But the Bible does not say that worship is about us. Sorry. Worship is first and foremost about God, and for God.
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Old 10-03-2013, 04:42 PM
 
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God wants devotion ...... See the worship of Spirit and truth of God is the worship of the virtue of faith, hope, charity, prudence , fortitude, justice, and temperance.... which is all worship to the Lord Jesus in the Spirit.....
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:47 PM
 
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Worship is a result of coming into the presence of His Glory which means the Beauty of Holiness and Righteousness. Without that contact with His spiritual beauty all you have is an intellectual knowledge of Him and you won't be made into His likeness/glorified so as to stand face to face with Him. He can only transform you by the Spirit of who He is.

Direct contact with God results in spontaneous worship with no effort at all! Who has seen His Glory and not been changed for eternity? No vanity at all but rather a reciprocating love relation because His love is imputed to us forever.
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Old 10-04-2013, 06:11 AM
 
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Worship is a result of coming into the presence of His Glory which means the Beauty of Holiness and Righteousness. Without that contact with His spiritual beauty all you have is an intellectual knowledge of Him and you won't be made into His likeness/glorified so as to stand face to face with Him. He can only transform you by the Spirit of who He is.

Direct contact with God results in spontaneous worship with no effort at all! Who has seen His Glory and not been changed for eternity? No vanity at all but rather a reciprocating love relation because His love is imputed to us forever.
But, the beneficiary is you. God remains the same. You cannot ad or subtract from God. God cannot be petty or needy.
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