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Old 10-04-2013, 07:49 PM
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The central message is Christ.
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And his love for all humanity.
Expressed on the cross, and made complete in the empty tomb!
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Old 10-04-2013, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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God is for us.

God does not need us.

God's function is to make us better humans.
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rofl. So God's function is to serve you.

Maybe He gives good massages too.
We are God's children are we not? I have two kids myself. A 2 year old and a 9 month old. I do virtually everything for them. I pay for their food, change their diapers, clean up their messes, comfort them when they are upset or hurt, bathe them, feed them, etc. I do everything I can to teach them to be good, to learn as much as they possibly can and just enjoy life every day.

What are they doing for me? They aren't paying me to be their dad. They don't clean our house or do the dishes or fix my car or anything else. They are quite literally incapable of really doing anything tangible for me. Yet at the end of the day, saying "it's worth it" doesn't even begin to cover it. Being their mommy and daddy is the best thing that ever happened to my wife and I. Words don't do it justice.

And that is just a small taste of how God sees us. No, he doesn't actually need us. We need him.
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Old 10-04-2013, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Dallas TX
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Catholic Church:

One who dies in the state of friendship with God (the state of grace) will go to heaven.

Matthew 24:13
New International Version (NIV)
13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.


Protestants:

Just accept Jesus once, be born again and you are done.

Obviously salvation is equally important, but for Catholics it is a given and the constant pounding of the salvation topic every Sunday is not needed. The Sunday homily is mostly about how to be a good Christian.
For protestants it should be too. EIther you hve Grace, or you do not.
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Old 10-04-2013, 07:55 PM
 
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Expressed on the cross, and made complete in the empty tomb!
"There is no love without forgiveness, and no forgiveness without love; for what power has love, but forgiveness."
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Old 10-04-2013, 08:00 PM
Status: "Trump 2020-Making America Great Again" (set 4 hours ago)
 
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Catholic Church:

One who dies in the state of friendship with God (the state of grace) will go to heaven.

Matthew 24:13
New International Version (NIV)
13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.


Protestants:

Just accept Jesus once, be born again and you are done.

Obviously salvation is equally important, but for Catholics it is a given and the constant pounding of the salvation topic every Sunday is not needed. The Sunday homily is mostly about how to be a good Christian.
Done? Uh, no.

We preach salvation to the lost, not to the saved. Any given Sunday, there is likely to be someone unsaved in the service. We believe a person must:

9 Confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, and you will be saved.

Romans 10

We also preach and teach discipleship to the saved. We understand sanctification.
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Old 10-04-2013, 08:01 PM
 
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We are God's children are we not? I have two kids myself. A 2 year old and a 9 month old. I do virtually everything for them. I pay for their food, change their diapers, clean up their messes, comfort them when they are upset or hurt, bathe them, feed them, etc. I do everything I can to teach them to be good, to learn as much as they possibly can and just enjoy life every day.

What are they doing for me? They aren't paying me to be their dad. They don't clean our house or do the dishes or fix my car or anything else. They are quite literally incapable of really doing anything tangible for me. Yet at the end of the day, saying "it's worth it" doesn't even begin to cover it. Being their mommy and daddy is the best thing that ever happened to my wife and I. Words don't do it justice.

And that is just a small taste of how God sees us. No, he doesn't actually need us. We need him.
The analogy is not good because you are ascribing human qualities to God. Furthermore, God relies on "free will" and you do not give free will to your kids.
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Old 10-04-2013, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Dallas TX
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Done? Uh, no.

We preach salvation to the lost, not to the saved. Any given Sunday, there is likely to be someone unsaved in the service. We believe a person must:

9 Confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, and you will be saved.

Romans 10

We also preach and teach discipleship to the saved. We understand sanctification.
Jimmie, why do all evangelicals try to preach and nose into the world's business, when GOD only gives the gift to a few?
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Old 10-04-2013, 08:08 PM
 
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The analogy is not good because you are ascribing human qualities to God.
Furthermore, God relies on "free will" and you do not give free will to your kids.
How can they have free will, if they do not first learn how to walk?

Do you not teach; and guide them?
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Old 10-04-2013, 08:08 PM
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"There is no love without forgiveness, and no forgiveness without love; for what power has love, but forgiveness."
That's why Jesus came.

Acts 5:31

He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
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Old 10-04-2013, 08:12 PM
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Jimmie, why do all evangelicals try to preach and nose into the world's business, when GOD only gives the gift to a few?
Mark 16:15

And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation."
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