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Isaiah 22:14 "The LORD of hosts has revealed himself in my ears: “Surely this iniquity will not be atoned for you until you die,” says the Lord GOD of hosts."
1 Sam 3:14 "Therefore I swear to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli’s house shall not be atoned for by
sacrifice or offering forever.”
What say you, Universalists? These verses clearly state that there will be some that will not be forgiven.
Isaiah 22:14 "The LORD of hosts has revealed himself in my ears: “Surely this iniquity will not be atoned for you until you die,” says the Lord GOD of hosts."
1 Sam 3:14 "Therefore I swear to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli’s house shall not be atoned for by
sacrifice or offering forever.”
What say you, Universalists? These verses clearly state that there will be some that will not be forgiven.
That's not true Vizio,
To die in Christ is gain. EVERY knee and tongue. He will cause this to happen and lose none--why? Because He is God/Love.
Some might have to be put on His left as tails--receiving end of love and some on His right as heads---giving side of Love. But love is perfected in forgiveness with charity. None can do charity like Him.
Isaiah 22:14 "The LORD of hosts has revealed himself in my ears: “Surely this iniquity will not be atoned for you until you die,” says the Lord GOD of hosts."
1 Sam 3:14 "Therefore I swear to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli’s house shall not be atoned for by
sacrifice or offering forever.”
What say you, Universalists? These verses clearly state that there will be some that will not be forgiven.
... "until they die", according to Isaiah 22:14. What say you to that? Apparently either at death or after death, sins can be atoned for.
As far as 1 Sam 3:14, you know full well the issue with the words translated as "forever" in the bible (olam in the old testament). It's not an accurate translation, as it has to do with time/ages, not eternity. Even if it were, according to this passage it says their iniquity won't be atoned for by sacrifice or offering. Thank goodness God is a God of mercy who doesn't require sacrifice OR offering in order to be able to forgive. And atonement is different than forgiveness, anyway, as I see it. It has to do with relationship being restored. Killing an animal to supposedly cover up your sin is not the equivalent of atonement.
Isaiah 22:14 "The LORD of hosts has revealed himself in my ears: “Surely this iniquity will not be atoned for you until you die,” says the Lord GOD of hosts."
1 Sam 3:14 "Therefore I swear to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli’s house shall not be atoned for by
sacrifice or offering forever.”
What say you, Universalists? These verses clearly state that there will be some that will not be forgiven.
Isa 22:14 And these things are revealed in the ears of the Lord of hosts: for this sin shall not be forgiven you, until ye die.
That verse seems to support universalism. Here is showing that the forgiveness comes after death.
1 Sam 3:14 shows that the iniquity would not be forgiven for until the end of the age:
Isaiah 22:14 "The LORD of hosts has revealed himself in my ears: “Surely this iniquity will not be atoned for you until you die,” says the Lord GOD of hosts."
1 Sam 3:14 "Therefore I swear to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli’s house shall not be atoned for by
sacrifice or offering forever.”
What say you, Universalists? These verses clearly state that there will be some that will not be forgiven.
According to the RCC Christ offers salvation to ALL whether inside or outside the church. A person has to willingly turn away to avoid salvation.
... "until they die", according to Isaiah 22:14. What say you to that? Apparently either at death or after death, sins can be atoned for.
As far as 1 Sam 3:14, you know full well the issue with the words translated as "forever" in the bible (olam in the old testament). It's not an accurate translation, as it has to do with time/ages, not eternity. Even if it were, according to this passage it says their iniquity won't be atoned for by sacrifice or offering. Thank goodness God is a God of mercy who doesn't require sacrifice OR offering in order to be able to forgive. And atonement is different than forgiveness, anyway, as I see it. It has to do with relationship being restored. Killing an animal to supposedly cover up your sin is not the equivalent of atonement.
Amen!
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Originally Posted by trettep
Isa 22:14 And these things are revealed in the ears of the Lord of hosts: for this sin shall not be forgiven you, until ye die.
That verse seems to support universalism. Here is showing that the forgiveness comes after death.
1 Sam 3:14 shows that the iniquity would not be forgiven for until the end of the age:
Amen! You guys are making my posting here unnecessary.
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Originally Posted by Vizio
That's a lot of twisting to come to those answers.
Not twisting, Vizio . . . intelligent and informed interpretation using the context of a loving God that Christ revealed unambiguously. As long as you retain the context of a jealous, vengeful War God who needs to be appeased by blood sacrifice . . . you will not understand the scriptures. You are using the wrong beliefs about God to perpetuate a corruption of Christ's Gospel.
As far as I understand non-forgiveness, it was the First-century Jewish religious leaders who maliciously opposed Jesus Christ who sinned against the holy spirit. They saw God’s spirit at work in Jesus as he performed miracles that honored Jehovah. Yet, these enemies of Christ attributed this power to Satan the Devil. According to Jesus, those who thus blasphemed against God’s holy spirit were thereby committing a sin that would not be forgiven in the present "system of things nor in that to come."—Matthew 12:22-32.
Blasphemy is defamatory, injurious, or abusive speech. Since the holy spirit has God as its Source, saying things against his spirit is the same as speaking against God Himself. Unrepentantly resorting to speech of that kind is unforgivable. Jesus’ words about such sin show that Jesus is referring to those who willfully oppose the operation of God’s holy spirit. Because Jehovah’s spirit was at work in Jesus but his opposers ascribed this power to the Devil, they sinfully blasphemed against the spirit. Hence, Jesus declared: "Whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit has no forgiveness forever, but is guilty of everlasting sin."—Mark 3:20-29.
Consider also the case of Judas Iscariot. He pursued a dishonest course, stealing from the money box entrusted to his care. (John 12:5,6) Judas later went to the Jewish rulers and arranged to betray Jesus for 30 pieces of silver. Yes, Judas felt remorse after the betrayal, but he never repented of his deliberate sin. Consequently, Judas is not worthy of a resurrection. Jesus therefore called him "the son of destruction."—John 17:12; Matthew 26:14-16.
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