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Old 10-05-2013, 05:00 PM
 
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Our partiality to cherries become obvious.
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Old 10-05-2013, 05:06 PM
 
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You shouldn't. You should check against the fruit of the Spirit, just as you should check any doctrine that someone claims is what the Bible teaches.
Amen! Our choices will reveal the nature of the Spirit that drives us. As Jesus said to those who wanted Him to rain fire and brimstone down . . . He said you do not know what Spirit you are of.
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Old 10-05-2013, 05:08 PM
 
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One can really know God ,It is why Jesus provided the Holy Spirit to teach in Jesus place .
Read the gospel of John all of it . then 1John 2; all of it.
It has always been God's intention to be our teacher.
And if one has not learned to obey in this life he will hardly be welcomed in the next. Matthew 7; all of it.
And if a man acts as a self serving leach then John 15 applies.
Final note, if one falsely calls Jesus Lord, and does not obey Him , it is a lie God must judge ,, not defend.
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Old 10-05-2013, 05:19 PM
 
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What happens to those where The Scriptures are cherry picked?
After cherry picking the scriptures, those people will have a theology that better suits them, and that will help to make them happier and more productive people.

I think everyone should think for themselves.
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Old 10-05-2013, 05:59 PM
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You shouldn't. You should check against the fruit of the Spirit, just as you should check any doctrine that someone claims is what the Bible teaches.
Now that, I can agree with.
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Old 10-05-2013, 06:30 PM
 
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We do not need to have anyone teach us . . . we have Christ and His Holy Spirit (Comforter) to do so. But we need to sincerely trust what is in our hearts . . . NOT what we want to be there for our selfish reasons or what we have been told should be there in the "precepts and doctrines of men."
This is an example of cherry picking, the very topic of this thread. It's an appeal to 1 John 2:27 in order to dismiss the need of being taught by others.
As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.
The Expositor's Bible Commentary, vol. 12, p. 327, states regarding 1 John 2:27;
Since they have received their ''teaching'' from the Son through those who were his witnesses from the beginning and have his ''anointing,'' they have in fact no need for anyone more to teach them, not even John himself.
Your claim that we have no need of teaching because we have Christ and the Holy Sprit to teach us ignores both the immediate context and what is said elsewhere in the NT. John was writing to relatively spiritually mature believers who had previously received apostolic teaching under the filling of the Holy Spirit. At the very beginning of his letter, John writes that what the apostles had heard from the beginning, they had proclaimed (taught) to the recipients of his letter (1 John 1:1-3).

In 1 John 2:24 which is just three verses before the verse you appeal to in order to argue against the need to be taught by human teachers, John refers to the teaching that his readers had heard from the beginning.

John's point in 1 John 2 was that they had learned enough to not be deceived by the false teachers who were trying to deceive them. They had already received apostolic teaching under the ministry of the Holy Spirit.

In 1 Timothy 2:7 Paul states that he was appointed to be a preacher and apostle, and a teacher to the Gentiles in faith and love.

In 2 Timothy 1:11-14 Paul again states that he was appointed a preacher, and apostle, and a teacher. And then he tells Timothy to retain the standard of sound words (sound teaching; sound doctrine) which Paul had taught him. And to guard though the Holy Spirit who indwells him, the treasure which had been entrusted to him (what he had been taught by Paul). And then in 2 Timothy 2:2 Paul tells Timothy to entrust what he had been taught by Paul to others, who would in turn be able to teach others.

In 2 Peter 3:2 Peter exhorts his readers to remember what had been spoken (taught) beforehand by the holy prophets, and the commandment of the Lord spoken by the apostles.

The fact that human teachers have been appointed to teach is seen in Ephesians 4:11.

In Hebrews 5:12 the recipients of the letter are told that though they should by that time have been teachers, but instead, are themselves in need of being taught by someone.

Therefore the false claim that we do not need to be taught by anyone is made based on cherry picking one particular verse which ignores what Scripture says elsewhere. Even within the very same context that verse (1 John 2:27) is found in.

What happens by cherry picking 1 John 2:27 is the false assumption that human teachers are unnecessary. Scripture shows otherwise. One of the reasons that the apostles existed at the beginning of the Church age, and why the gift of pastor/teacher still exists, and why the Scriptures exist is because we are in need of teaching. And that fact cannot be negated by cherry picking one particular verse.
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Old 10-05-2013, 08:03 PM
 
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We will be at an impass, I do not regard Paul as the word of God.
Mike , you disregard the anointing received from Jesus, not men.
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Old 10-05-2013, 08:04 PM
 
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Jesus strictly told the disciples NOT to be called teacher. Paul is in direct conflict with Jesus.
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Old 10-05-2013, 08:14 PM
 
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It has everything to do with claiming. There are a lot of non-Biblical claims made here on the Christian board. If it disagrees with Scripture, then it has no trustworthy authority. That is the real "doctrines and precepts of men".
Yeah, cause if you don't "CLAIM IT RIGHT", God won't know who you are or that your heart has changed and grown into a new person. :P

That's cute Jimmie.
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Old 10-05-2013, 08:16 PM
 
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All people of all faiths have to cherry pick. All books of scripture are fragmentary, contradictory and inconsistent. It is literally impossible to follow everything the bible or the torah or the koran says.
I'm gonna sound really arrogant here, but no other way to say it...

Then you don't know what it says, and are also looking at it backwards. I say the backwards part, based on the wording and syntax of your sentence.
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