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Old 11-17-2015, 07:15 AM
 
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The Ten Commandments written by the hand of God are meant to be kept. Would you allow your child to give you a lame excuse as to why he or she lied or stealed? Would you accept your neighbor having sex with your wife or husband? How about murder is that acceptable? So why do you frustrate the grace of God? If a man acquitted of a criminal charge, if he then commits that same criminal act again, would the judge not be frustrated in his efforts to help that person?
In reality most Christians don't realy believe that these laws have been done away with. Only that commandment 4 has been abolished. They have wrested the scriptures to their own destruction. Number four is the stumbling block!
To address much of what Jesus said, he mostly quoted from the Old Testament, mainly Deuteronomy. Even love your neighbor as yourself is found there. The law is comprised of several sections as pointed out in the Old Testament. The Ten Commandments, the statutes and judgments, and the ordinances are the three main sections. The only part of the law that was done away with are the ordinances. These were all things related to animal sacrifice, festivals etc. apply this to the "hard verses" in the New Testament that talk about "doing away with the law" and things will begin to clearify. All of these were shadows of things to come, but the body is Christ! Christ was the final atoning sacrifice that done away with animal sacrifice that pointed forward. They were only a substitute before Christ death on the cross. The festival "sabbath" days were also fulfilled during and after his life. Pentecost and Passover are just two of these. These too were fullfilled and are to be no longer practiced.
The writings of Paul are mainly looked to to say that the commandments are done away with. Peter warns of this trend to twist his writings. When you align his teachings with the rest of the bible it is then that you get what he's saying.
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Old 11-17-2015, 08:52 AM
 
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The man who sins must die!
If Jesus could just abolish the law then why did he have to die?
He died for OUR SINS!
Our sins, or the breaking of the Ten Commandments specifically dooms us to die. If we refuse to accept Jesus as our sacrifice for OUR sins then we must then pay the price ourselves. Who wants to die? Why would we die and not choose life over death?
Jesus on the cross forgave the thief of his sins, thereby guaranteeing him of eternal life. The thief just like us need to display a repentant heart. He knew that his punishment on this earth was just, per his own admonishing. But his hope was that this Man Jesus would show pity on him and allow him to enter the kingdom of heaven. The thief identified Jesus as this King that could save him.
Will you who is forgiven of sin continue therein? God forbid!
Focus on what Christ did for you. Knowing then what He did for you because you broke His law, would you not have a new found respect for his law and government? The process of learning this and implementing it is called sanctification. Jesus can empower you to act accordingly. Don't be fooled by double talkers! KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS is mentioned hundreds of times throughout the bible. God is not the author of confusion, satan is!
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Old 11-17-2015, 09:21 AM
 
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Folks love to take this verse out of context and use it against others.

John 14:15
Jesus Promises Another Helper

15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments.
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When Jesus said if you Love me you will keep my commandments, what were his commandments??? Lets look at every example

John 13
34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.

and

John 15:10-14
10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

11 “These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. 12 This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends. 14 You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.

and

1 John 3:23
23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us[a] commandment.

and

1 John 4:21
21 And this commandment we have from Him: that he who loves God must love his brother also.

and

2 John 1:4-6
Walk in Christ’s Commandments

4 I rejoiced greatly that I have found some of your children walking in truth, as we received commandment from the Father. 5 And now I plead with you, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment to you, but that which we have had from the beginning: that we love one another. 6 This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.

So there we have it folks, 5 different examples that's Jesus commandments are to:
-Love God
-Love One Another as Jesus loved us, so people will know we are his disciples
-And that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ


So if we are loving God will all our mind soul and strength, loving each other, and believe Jesus died on the cross for your sins, WE ARE FOLLOWING JESUS COMMANDMENTS.
Where does it say that you must believe that he died on the cross for your sins?
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Old 11-17-2015, 09:25 AM
 
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Every once in awhile Tonyx3 asks a good question. That he has no idea of what the answer is should be expected, but the question has good answers. In this case, the best answer is that a better translation of the sense of what Jesus said than "keep my commandments" would be "Do as I have taught you." The point of being under grace and not the Law is not that we are free to do the things prohibited by Law, but that we don't do the things that are harmful, NOT BECAUSE they are Law, but because they are counter to love. "The letter kills but the Spirit gives life" should be a clue to the fact that we don't wear chains of laws and regulations, but live in a demonstration nof that concern for the well-being of everyone in any situation that IS "agape love."
When we are children we need rules because we don't understand why we should not do (or should do, depending on the nature of the rule) the things covered, but when we grow in faith and knowledge and most of all in love, we should "put away childish things" and live in "the freedom we have in Christ."
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Old 11-17-2015, 09:29 AM
 
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Every once in awhile Tonyx3 asks a good question. That he has no idea of what the answer is should be expected, but the question has good answers. In this case, the best answer is that a better translation of the sense of what Jesus said than "keep my commandments" would be "Do as I have taught you." The point of being under grace and not the Law is not that we are free to do the things prohibited by Law, but that we don't do the things that are harmful, NOT BECAUSE they are Law, but because they are counter to love. "The letter kills but the Spirit gives life" should be a clue to the fact that we don't wear chains of laws and regulations, but live in a demonstration nof that concern for the well-being of everyone in any situation that IS "agape love."
When we are children we need rules because we don't understand why we should not do (or should do, depending on the nature of the rule) the things covered, but when we grow in faith and knowledge and most of all in love, we should "put away childish things" and live in "the freedom we have in Christ."
I really hate you but I am required by law to smile and tell you that I love you...
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Old 11-17-2015, 09:31 AM
 
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The Ten Commandments written by the hand of God are meant to be kept. Would you allow your child to give you a lame excuse as to why he or she lied or stealed? Would you accept your neighbor having sex with your wife or husband? How about murder is that acceptable? So why do you frustrate the grace of God? If a man acquitted of a criminal charge, if he then commits that same criminal act again, would the judge not be frustrated in his efforts to help that person?
In reality most Christians don't realy believe that these laws have been done away with. Only that commandment 4 has been abolished. They have wrested the scriptures to their own destruction. Number four is the stumbling block!
To address much of what Jesus said, he mostly quoted from the Old Testament, mainly Deuteronomy. Even love your neighbor as yourself is found there. The law is comprised of several sections as pointed out in the Old Testament. The Ten Commandments, the statutes and judgments, and the ordinances are the three main sections. The only part of the law that was done away with are the ordinances. These were all things related to animal sacrifice, festivals etc. apply this to the "hard verses" in the New Testament that talk about "doing away with the law" and things will begin to clearify. All of these were shadows of things to come, but the body is Christ! Christ was the final atoning sacrifice that done away with animal sacrifice that pointed forward. They were only a substitute before Christ death on the cross. The festival "sabbath" days were also fulfilled during and after his life. Pentecost and Passover are just two of these. These too were fullfilled and are to be no longer practiced.
The writings of Paul are mainly looked to to say that the commandments are done away with. Peter warns of this trend to twist his writings. When you align his teachings with the rest of the bible it is then that you get what he's saying.
It is not just the ten...
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Old 11-17-2015, 09:31 AM
 
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I really hate you but I am required by law to smile and tell you that I love you...
Which is why Law has NO value in itself without the commitment to that caring that MAKES community.
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Old 11-17-2015, 10:29 AM
 
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Which is why Law has NO value in itself without the commitment to that caring that MAKES community.
How does one become truly righteous?...

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Old 11-17-2015, 01:12 PM
 
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How does one become truly righteous?...
One actually listens to the guidance of the Spirit. One also does not seek to MAKE others righteous, but to convince them of its value. All Law can do is MAKE them perform as if they were righteous.
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Old 11-17-2015, 01:22 PM
 
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Where does it say that you must believe that he died on the cross for your sins?

Romans 10:9-11
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”[


John 3:3-7
3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”
5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’



1 John 3:23
23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us[a] commandment
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