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Old 10-07-2013, 05:06 PM
 
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This is for those who think that He wasn't. Most of us know who He is and that He was sinless.

If Jesus were just a man, then He fully believed that someone guided Him in all the ways to be sinless---hence He would be a sinless innocent and the one who led Him would be guilty.

If Jesus were God in the flesh---hence God is sinless.

Since all mankind are fallen--Jesus is our God who walked among men or else there would have been a sinless man.

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Old 10-07-2013, 05:33 PM
 
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Yes, Jesus was without sin. If He had sinned even once He would have been disqualified from going to the Cross to pay the penalty for our sins.
Hebrews 4:15 For we have not a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.

1 Peter 2:21 For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps. 22] Who committed no sin, nor was any deceit found in His mouth. 23] and while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He utter no threats, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously; 24] and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.
In order for Jesus to free us from the slave market of sin, He had to Himself be a freeman. He had to be blameless and without spot.

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Old 10-07-2013, 06:02 PM
 
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Sanctity of Jesus

From a negative point of view, the sanctity of Jesus consists in His unspotted sinlessness. He can defy His enemies by asking, "Which of you shall convince me of sin?" (John 8:46). Even the evil spirits are forced to acknowledge Him as the Holy One of God (Mark 1:24; Luke 4:34). His enemies charge Him with being a Samaritan, and having a devil (John 8:48), with being a sinner (John 9:24), a blasphemer (Matthew 26:65), a violator of the Sabbath (John 9:16), a malefactor (John 18:30), a disturber of the peace (Luke 23:5), a seducer (Matthew 27:63). But Pilate finds and declares Jesus innocent, and, when pressed by the enemies of Jesus to condemn Him, he washes his hands and exclaims before the assembled people, "I am innocent of the blood of this just man" (Matthew 27:24). The Jewish authorities practically admit that they cannot prove any wrong against Jesus; they only insist, "We have a law; and according to the law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God" (John 19:7). The final charge urged against Christ by His bitterest enemies was His claim to be the Son of God.

The positive side of the sanctity of Jesus is well attested by His constant zeal in the service of God. At the age of twelve He asks His mother, "Did you not know, that I must be about my father's business?". He urges on His hearers the true adoration in spirit and in truth (John 4:23) required by His Father. Repeatedly He declares His entire dependence on His Father (John 5:20, 30; etc.); He is faithful to the Will of His Father (John 8:29); He tells His disciples, "My meat is to do the will of him that sent me" (John 4:34). Even the hardest sacrifices do not prevent Jesus from complying with His Father's Will: "My Father, if this chalice may not pass away, but I must drink it, thy will be done" (Matthew 26:42). Jesus honours His Father (John 2:17), and proclaims at the end of His life, "I have glorified thee on the earth" (John 17:4). He prays almost incessantly to His Father (Mark 1:35; 6:46; etc.), and teaches His Apostles the Our Father (Matthew 6:9). He always thanks His Father for His bounties (Matthew 11:25; etc.), and in brief behaves throughout as only a most loving son can behave towards his beloved father. During His Passion one of His most intense sorrows is His feeling of abandonment by His Father (Mark 15:34), and at the point of death He joyfully surrenders His Soul into the hands of His Father (Luke 23:46).

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Old 10-07-2013, 07:15 PM
 
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Look at Jewish history - the sacrifice had to be without spot or blemish.
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:09 PM
 
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Yes Jesus was sinless. But remember he was not without temptation.

He was tempted like you a me, because he was in the flesh. Yet he remained sinless.
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Old 06-13-2016, 11:46 PM
 
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That his body needed to be perfect is stated in the original Passover lamb. Exodus 12:46 ...and you must not break any of its bones.
This was prophesied also about the Jesus the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world. John 1:29 Psalm 34:20
When the time came for the Roman soldiers to break those hanging they broke the bones of the two evildoers alongside of him. This hasten death. However when they checked Jesus he was already dead so it wasn't necessary. Thus the prophecy was fulfilled.
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Old 06-14-2016, 06:32 AM
 
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Yes, Jesus was without sin. If He had sinned even once He would have been disqualified from going to the Cross to pay the penalty for our sins.
Hebrews 4:15 For we have not a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.

1 Peter 2:21 For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps. 22] Who committed no sin, nor was any deceit found in His mouth. 23] and while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He utter no threats, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously; 24] and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.
In order for Jesus to free us from the slave market of sin, He had to Himself be a freeman. He had to be blameless and without spot.
And ONLY a human. If he were God and could not sin, the "testing" and sacrifice, as it were, would be meaningless. It wasn't just his "flesh" that was tested, but his will and personal desires and that is the Person of Jesus being tested, not just a nature.
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Old 06-14-2016, 09:01 AM
 
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Yes, Jesus was without sin. If He had sinned even once He would have been disqualified from going to the Cross to pay the penalty for our sins.
Hebrews 4:15 For we have not a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.

1 Peter 2:21 For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps. 22] Who committed no sin, nor was any deceit found in His mouth. 23] and while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He utter no threats, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously; 24] and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.
In order for Jesus to free us from the slave market of sin, He had to Himself be a freeman. He had to be blameless and without spot.
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And ONLY a human. If he were God and could not sin, the "testing" and sacrifice, as it were, would be meaningless. It wasn't just his "flesh" that was tested, but his will and personal desires and that is the Person of Jesus being tested, not just a nature.
The denials that Jesus is God never stop. No matter how much you deny that Jesus is God, the Scriptures are clear that He is. By claiming that Jesus is only a human you must explain how a human created the heavens and the earth since it is clearly stated that Jesus, before becoming flesh, created all that has been created.
John 1:3 All things came into being through Him (through the pre-incarnate Word whose human name is Jesus), and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Colossians 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him.
And of course, the writer of Hebrews takes Psalm 102:25-27 which speaks of God and applies it to Jesus in Hebrews 1:10-12 In Hebrews chapter one, God the Father is talking to God the Son and calling Him God and stating that it was He (God the Son- the pre-incarnate Word, Jesus, who created the heavens and the earth.) Clearly, the writer of Hebrews understood that Jesus is God.
Psalm 102:25 "Of old You founded the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. 26] "Even they will perish, but You endure; And all of them will wear out like a garment; Like clothing You will change them and they will be changed. 27] "But You are the same, And Your years will not come to an end.

Hebrews 1:10 And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of Your hands; 11] they will perish, but You remain; they will all wear out like a garment, 12] like a robe You will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But You are the same, and Your years will have no end.”
When the pre-incarnate Word took on flesh (John 1:1 with John 1:14) He did not cease to be God, but merely refrained from using His deity to benefit Himself apart from the Father's plan.

In the person of Jesus are two natures. His divine nature as God, and His human nature as a man. The attributes of each nature do not mix with the attributes of the other nature. Thus, He is not half God and half man, but both eternal God and true humanity. This is the doctrine of the hypostatic union. As God Jesus was not able to sin, but as man He could have sinned, but did not.
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Old 06-14-2016, 09:49 AM
 
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The denials that Jesus is God never stop. No matter how much you deny that Jesus is God, the Scriptures are clear that He is. By claiming that Jesus is only a human you must explain how a human created the heavens and the earth since it is clearly stated that Jesus, before becoming flesh, created all that has been created.
John 1:3 All things came into being through Him (through the pre-incarnate Word whose human name is Jesus), and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Colossians 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him.
And of course, the writer of Hebrews takes Psalm 102:25-27 which speaks of God and applies it to Jesus in Hebrews 1:10-12 In Hebrews chapter one, God the Father is talking to God the Son and calling Him God and stating that it was He (God the Son- the pre-incarnate Word, Jesus, who created the heavens and the earth.) Clearly, the writer of Hebrews understood that Jesus is God.
Psalm 102:25 "Of old You founded the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. 26] "Even they will perish, but You endure; And all of them will wear out like a garment; Like clothing You will change them and they will be changed. 27] "But You are the same, And Your years will not come to an end.

Hebrews 1:10 And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of Your hands; 11] they will perish, but You remain; they will all wear out like a garment, 12] like a robe You will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But You are the same, and Your years will have no end.”
When the pre-incarnate Word took on flesh (John 1:1 with John 1:14) He did not cease to be God, but merely refrained from using His deity to benefit Himself apart from the Father's plan.

In the person of Jesus are two natures. His divine nature as God, and His human nature as a man. The attributes of each nature do not mix with the attributes of the other nature. Thus, He is not half God and half man, but both eternal God and true humanity. This is the doctrine of the hypostatic union. As God Jesus was not able to sin, but as man He could have sinned, but did not.
He wasn't G-d....Never claimed to be...
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Old 06-14-2016, 09:50 AM
 
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The denials that Jesus is God never stop. No matter how much you deny that Jesus is God, the Scriptures are clear that He is. By claiming that Jesus is only a human you must explain how a human created the heavens and the earth since it is clearly stated that Jesus, before becoming flesh, created all that has been created.
John 1:3 All things came into being through Him (through the pre-incarnate Word whose human name is Jesus), and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Colossians 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him.
And of course, the writer of Hebrews takes Psalm 102:25-27 which speaks of God and applies it to Jesus in Hebrews 1:10-12 In Hebrews chapter one, God the Father is talking to God the Son and calling Him God and stating that it was He (God the Son- the pre-incarnate Word, Jesus, who created the heavens and the earth.) Clearly, the writer of Hebrews understood that Jesus is God.
Psalm 102:25 "Of old You founded the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. 26] "Even they will perish, but You endure; And all of them will wear out like a garment; Like clothing You will change them and they will be changed. 27] "But You are the same, And Your years will not come to an end.

Hebrews 1:10 And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of Your hands; 11] they will perish, but You remain; they will all wear out like a garment, 12] like a robe You will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But You are the same, and Your years will have no end.”
When the pre-incarnate Word took on flesh (John 1:1 with John 1:14) He did not cease to be God, but merely refrained from using His deity to benefit Himself apart from the Father's plan.

In the person of Jesus are two natures. His divine nature as God, and His human nature as a man. The attributes of each nature do not mix with the attributes of the other nature. Thus, He is not half God and half man, but both eternal God and true humanity. This is the doctrine of the hypostatic union. As God Jesus was not able to sin, but as man He could have sinned, but did not.
Polytheism...
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