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Old 11-18-2007, 04:01 PM
 
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Recently wrapped up my reading of the Gospel of John...every new reading really brings more and more evidence to me of how descriptive the "disciple whom Jesus loved" was able to be in his eyewitness transcription.

One thing that I never took notice of before was the descriptoin of the two men that were crucified next to Jesus. It is often said that these men were robbers. However, a direct Greek translation is showing that these men were guerilla fighters.

Does anyone know anything more about this?

Nonetheless, does anyone else find it interesting that the Roman soldiers broke the legs of the two men on the cross, but not Jesus? Since Jesus would be walking again after his death, I just wonder what that would have been like if they had broken his legs.
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Old 11-18-2007, 04:50 PM
 
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Recently wrapped up my reading of the Gospel of John...every new reading really brings more and more evidence to me of how descriptive the "disciple whom Jesus loved" was able to be in his eyewitness transcription.

One thing that I never took notice of before was the descriptoin of the two men that were crucified next to Jesus. It is often said that these men were robbers. However, a direct Greek translation is showing that these men were guerilla fighters.

Does anyone know anything more about this?

Nonetheless, does anyone else find it interesting that the Roman soldiers broke the legs of the two men on the cross, but not Jesus? Since Jesus would be walking again after his death, I just wonder what that would have been like if they had broken his legs.
It was the custom then to hasten the death of the crucified by breaking their legs..It was preordained, through the prophets of the ot, that Jesus would have no broken bones..Jesus was resurrected in a perfect spiritual body as we will be, so it wouldn't have mattered what shape his physical body was in upon death..This, as usual, is just my humble opinion
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Old 11-18-2007, 04:58 PM
 
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Recently wrapped up my reading of the Gospel of John...every new reading really brings more and more evidence to me of how descriptive the "disciple whom Jesus loved" was able to be in his eyewitness transcription.
John's Gospel is my favorite of the four.


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One thing that I never took notice of before was the descriptoin of the two men that were crucified next to Jesus. It is often said that these men were robbers. However, a direct Greek translation is showing that these men were guerilla fighters.

Does anyone know anything more about this?
I'm certainly no Biblical scholar, but I've heard before that the two men crucified with Jesus were both zealots (as was one of the disciples). They were basically "freedom fighters," dedicated to kicking the Romans out of the country.


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Nonetheless, does anyone else find it interesting that the Roman soldiers broke the legs of the two men on the cross, but not Jesus? Since Jesus would be walking again after his death, I just wonder what that would have been like if they had broken his legs.
Crucifixion was actually a very scientific (and cruel) method of execution. Victims didn't die of blood loss. They basically suffocated. Because of the way victims were crucified, they had to lift themselves up to breathe. Once their arms got too tired, they had to lift up on their legs. If the Romans wanted to hasten death, they would break the victims' legs, making them suffocate. But they didn't do that to Jesus, because He was dead already.
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Old 11-18-2007, 05:20 PM
 
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He "gave up the ghost."just after he said, "it is finished." It was customary to take the crucified down before sunset so that they would not be on the crosses for the Sabbath. There would have been no need to have broken his legs to hurry his death for He was already dead.
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Old 11-18-2007, 06:15 PM
 
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Good points ya'll. For some reason, my old Catholic bible says the men were robbers. Whatever, it sure is a bad way to die!
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Old 07-20-2015, 07:55 PM
 
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No Bone Were Broken Because Jesus Was The Perfect Lamb of God He Fullfilled The Passover Exodus 12:46 Is The Reason His ones Warrant Broken So That He can Be A Perfect Sacrifice
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Old 07-20-2015, 08:18 PM
 
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No Bone Were Broken Because Jesus Was The Perfect Lamb of God He Fullfilled The Passover Exodus 12:46 Is The Reason His ones Warrant Broken So That He can Be A Perfect Sacrifice

Aw, geez...
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Old 07-20-2015, 08:30 PM
 
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The spear that was thrust between his ribs, probably perforated his lung and heart, thereby ensuring his death.
You bleed when your heart is pumping blood through your body, even while you are unconscious.

Pericardium fluid surrounds the heart!
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Old 07-20-2015, 09:17 PM
 
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Guerilla fighters can also be robbers. They need to obtain money for their cause somehow.
A person primarily concerned with material reward(s) at the expense of ethics; Mercenaries.
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Old 07-21-2015, 08:34 AM
 
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Recently wrapped up my reading of the Gospel of John...every new reading really brings more and more evidence to me of how descriptive the "disciple whom Jesus loved" was able to be in his eyewitness transcription.

One thing that I never took notice of before was the descriptoin of the two men that were crucified next to Jesus. It is often said that these men were robbers. However, a direct Greek translation is showing that these men were guerilla fighters.

Does anyone know anything more about this?

Nonetheless, does anyone else find it interesting that the Roman soldiers broke the legs of the two men on the cross, but not Jesus? Since Jesus would be walking again after his death, I just wonder what that would have been like if they had broken his legs.
The impenitent thief is Gestas, and the penitent thief is Dismas, according to early tradition
as expressed in Acts of Pilate, "gospel" of Nicodemus, Narrative of Joseph of Arimathea,
and First Infancy "gospel".
There are a number of parishes named in honor of Saint Dismas and a guild non-profit.
The real insurrectionist was Barabbas, who was chosen by the crowd and high priest
to be released instead of Christ. Barabbas was an insurrectionist leader, thief, and murderer.
The legs of Gestas and St. Dismas were broken in order to hasten their deaths before sundown.
Christ died before they did.

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