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Old 10-08-2013, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Somerset, Kentucky
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I would love to hear a preacher say---
" I baptize you son/daughter of Jesus Christ in the spirit of love/truth and wisdom to take up the burden of the cross in following the ways set forth by our God, this is a marriage between you and Christ consecrated on this day being born a new creation, willing to let your old ways die and your new ones begin." Amen

Yeshua Bless You
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Old 10-08-2013, 09:19 AM
 
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I would love to hear a preacher say---
" I baptize you son/daughter of Jesus Christ in the spirit of love/truth and wisdom to take up the burden of the cross in following the ways set forth by our God, this is a marriage between you and Christ consecrated on this day being born a new creation, willing to let your old ways die and your new ones begin." Amen

Yeshua Bless You
I'd love to see how you come to that conclusion. What texts do you base that on? I'm not aware of any passage in the Bible that the apostles used that sort of language when baptizing someone.
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Old 10-08-2013, 09:33 AM
 
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I'd love to see how you come to that conclusion. What texts do you base that on? I'm not aware of any passage in the Bible that the apostles used that sort of language when baptizing someone.

The only eternal marriage in the Bible is the spiritual marriage of the believer to Christ. Paul wrote to the Christians at Corinth: "I have espoused you to one husband [Christ], that I may present you [the Christians] as a chaste virgin to Christ" (2 Corinthians 11:2). Paul also wrote in Romans 7:4 that Christians are to be "married to another, even to him [Christ] who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God."
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Old 10-08-2013, 09:49 AM
 
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The only eternal marriage in the Bible is the spiritual marriage of the believer to Christ. Paul wrote to the Christians at Corinth: "I have espoused you to one husband [Christ], that I may present you [the Christians] as a chaste virgin to Christ" (2 Corinthians 11:2). Paul also wrote in Romans 7:4 that Christians are to be "married to another, even to him [Christ] who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God."
The church is called the Bride of Christ. "that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she should be holy and blameless," (Eph. 5:27).

He is the head of the church "And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, 23which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all," (Eph. 1:22-23).


I'm not sure it's really accurate to say that we are all married to Jesus--individually. As believers we are part of the Bride, but we are not each the Bride.
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Old 10-08-2013, 03:21 PM
 
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I would love to see men take that role back from some preacher. It is my duty, not some pastor who doesn't even know my kids, to baptize my kids. If you are a single mom, then you can do it. No need to do it at some church. Go to the lake, beach, river etc. but take that authority back. You are the priest of your home.
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Old 10-08-2013, 03:24 PM
 
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I would love to see men take that role back from some preacher. It is my duty, not some pastor who doesn't even know my kids, to baptize my kids. If you are a single mom, then you can do it. No need to do it at some church. Go to the lake, beach, river etc. but take that authority back. You are the priest of your home.
No argument there. I had the privilege of baptizing my kids. The church I was an intern in had me do it. They usually ask Dad step into the tank with the pastor and baptize the kids.
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Old 10-08-2013, 03:56 PM
 
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No argument there. I had the privilege of baptizing my kids. The church I was an intern in had me do it. They usually ask Dad step into the tank with the pastor and baptize the kids.
V. WHO CAN BAPTIZE?

1256 The ordinary ministers of Baptism are the bishop and priest and, in the Latin Church, also the deacon.57 In case of necessity, anyone, even a non-baptized person, with the required intention, can baptize58 , by using the Trinitarian baptismal formula. The intention required is to will to do what the Church does when she baptizes. The Church finds the reason for this possibility in the universal saving will of God and the necessity of Baptism for salvation.59

Incorporated into the Church, the Body of Christ

1267 Baptism makes us members of the Body of Christ.

1275 Christian initiation is accomplished by three sacraments together: Baptism which is the beginning of new life; Confirmation which is its strengthening; and the Eucharist which nourishes the disciple with Christ's Body and Blood for his transformation in Christ.

From the Catechism
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Old 10-08-2013, 04:22 PM
 
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I would love to hear a preacher say---
" I baptize you son/daughter of Jesus Christ in the spirit of love/truth and wisdom to take up the burden of the cross in following the ways set forth by our God, this is a marriage between you and Christ consecrated on this day being born a new creation, willing to let your old ways die and your new ones begin." Amen

Yeshua Bless You
That would be a very beautiful way to do it. We are the Bride of Christ both individually and corporately.
It is written, MT 13:52 "Then said He unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the Kingdom of Heaven is like unto a man that is a householder, which brings forth out of his treasure things new and old." Meaning, there are new ways to look at things just as lovely/valid as the old and often told truths.
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Old 10-08-2013, 09:37 PM
 
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V. WHO CAN BAPTIZE?

1256 The ordinary ministers of Baptism are the bishop and priest and, in the Latin Church, also the deacon.57 In case of necessity, anyone, even a non-baptized person, with the required intention, can baptize58 , by using the Trinitarian baptismal formula. The intention required is to will to do what the Church does when she baptizes. The Church finds the reason for this possibility in the universal saving will of God and the necessity of Baptism for salvation.59

Incorporated into the Church, the Body of Christ

1267 Baptism makes us members of the Body of Christ.

1275 Christian initiation is accomplished by three sacraments together: Baptism which is the beginning of new life; Confirmation which is its strengthening; and the Eucharist which nourishes the disciple with Christ's Body and Blood for his transformation in Christ.

From the Catechism
Catechism <> Bible
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Old 10-08-2013, 09:41 PM
 
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Catechism <> Bible
As you well know the church is guided by the Holy Spirit. The church has direction and authority. And the baptism in Protestant churches is quite valid.
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