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Old 10-09-2013, 04:06 AM
 
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Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:Luke 12:51

It only adds up if you subtract the truth from the equation, it multiples troubles.

Yet the Gospel was commanded to be freely given and there is a specific reason.

As the Parable of the Sower and the Seed establishes, the Sower didn't reap the Seed, nor did the Sower find it alone, yet by faith he receives it from the Spirit.

For there are many that will not hear.

And likewise, many that will hear but with doubtful disputations.

So what do you do when you have a Seed? You have to find good ground to sow it into.

However, then there are some that while they hear and believe, like dust without the works of water the seed quickly withers.

Then there are those that hear, believe and receive with joy, yet they did not receive in spirit and in truth, and the seed perishes.

Yet those who receive the Sower of the Word, by the same will they receive the Blessing.
The seed which is in Everyman never perishes and when we give freely of what we have received,God brings it to life.

The word(the seed of God)is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart, Romans 10
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Old 10-09-2013, 04:16 AM
 
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Amen -- don't you just love to read the scriptures by the light of the Spirit. Silver and Gold have I none - RELIGION, indeed! Oh, I'm so glad to have you around, Paul.

True, the natural minded man looks at that scripture and sees a man begging for money from a man with none to give. Scripture is for our learning, what could be possibly learnt from the natural minded man's view upon that scripture. The beggars are still begging in this world because religion does not have anything to give them.
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Old 10-09-2013, 04:31 AM
 
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What is it that Jesus Christ gave us that he desires us to freely give?.

My peace I give unto you, is something he most certainly gave us. A Peace that comes from knowing we are not separated from God. Now to me that is something worth freely giving, especially considering it was freely given unto us.
You can preach the Gospel, but the peace comes from God, not you.
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Old 10-09-2013, 04:45 AM
 
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You can preach the Gospel, but the peace comes from God, not you.
You cannot give what you do not have. If you only understood that we are becoming what we are. We bare the same image. I am the vine. Those who actually believe they are branches of the vine are not separated from that vine, those who believe in separation obviously are.


Camps waits patiently for the 3rd person of the trinity to show up.
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Old 10-09-2013, 05:36 AM
 
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You cannot give what you do not have. If you only understood that we are becoming what we are. We bare the same image. I am the vine. Those who actually believe they are branches of the vine are not separated from that vine, those who believe in separation obviously are.
Why do you use every opportunity to say something negative about other people?

Peace is a fruit of the Spirit, and it originates from God, not from me, and not from you. I have peace, given to me by Christ. I can pray for Christ to give it to others too, but since I am not Christ, I cannot personally give out what is Christs to give. Same with salvation. Christ saves, not me. I can preach the Gospel, and pray for people, but Christ does the saving. Do you understand this?
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Old 10-09-2013, 06:20 AM
 
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What is it that Jesus Christ gave us that he desires us to freely give?.
My peace I give unto you, is something he most certainly gave us. A Peace that comes from knowing we are not separated from God. Now to me that is something worth freely giving, especially considering it was freely given unto us.
When Jesus said at Matthew 10 v 8 B that freely [ without charge ] you [ his disciples ] have received, freely give.

Jesus was stressing that there should be No charge for teaching about Jesus just as Jesus did not charge.

As a matter of Scripture, the only time Jesus had the ' plate passed ', so to speak, was when he fed the people with fish and bread.

Matthew 10 v 7 mentions as you go preach. They were to preach the same theme as Jesus preaching which was the kingdom of God is at hand.- Luke 4 v 43; Matthew 24 v 14.- Preach even though many would oppose their kingdom-preaching work. - Matthew 10 v 34- 39
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:19 AM
 
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Why do you use every opportunity to say something negative about other people?

Peace is a fruit of the Spirit, and it originates from God, not from me, and not from you. I have peace, given to me by Christ. I can pray for Christ to give it to others too, but since I am not Christ, I cannot personally give out what is Christs to give. Same with salvation. Christ saves, not me. I can preach the Gospel, and pray for people, but Christ does the saving. Do you understand this?
Oh please, you are constantly saying the likes of me are denying what the bible says, give it a rest and grow up.
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:23 AM
 
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Why do you use every opportunity to say something negative about other people?

Peace is a fruit of the Spirit, and it originates from God, not from me, and not from you. I have peace, given to me by Christ. I can pray for Christ to give it to others too, but since I am not Christ, I cannot personally give out what is Christs to give. Same with salvation. Christ saves, not me. I can preach the Gospel, and pray for people, but Christ does the saving. Do you understand this?
What do you think Paul, John and Peter were meaning when they said peace be unto you?, just saying it to sound nice, or did they actually believe in the power of what they were saying.

What about this verse.

and if indeed the house be worthy, let YOUR peace come upon it; and if it be not worthy, let your peace turn back to you.
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:47 AM
 
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Oh please, you are constantly saying the likes of me are denying what the bible says, give it a rest and grow up.
Why the anger? I take it this means you do not understand what I said.
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:50 AM
 
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I take it this means you do not understand what I said.
No, I don't accept what you are saying, even though I know full well what you are saying. Hope you don't mind.
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