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Old 10-10-2013, 06:50 AM
 
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Yea. or within ourself?
Yes, that too, of course.
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Old 10-10-2013, 01:40 PM
 
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i would think we would find a thousand other forms of life in the universe (aliens) before we could even think about finding Heaven, but even then that is probalby only a reward for those who have passed
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Old 10-10-2013, 02:59 PM
 
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The key to finding the kingdom of God is through unity of heart with believers who have received Jesus Spirit and His righteousness on their life , and their prayers for converts seeking to find Jesus and receiving His Spirit , so If new converts reject Jesus believers and their anointed in Christ , They will in turn reject Jesus .............. Another key is to Repent of Sin and ask Jesus to come into your life , and seek and knock and ask , and don`t stop as faith is an action , ............Another is to make sure that the church were you are going to is in the plan of God and does have a witness of evidence of Holy Spirit , and does preach the Gospel ...........Another is to talk to God read to Word of God and pray and pray , and pray ............ Another is to get water baptized and pray for the baptism of Holy Spirit , and sow charity to the identity of Jesus Christ , Love to Lord and help others for Christ, and build a doctrine of Going to church for stabilities ............ If you do these things you will find the kingdom of God and will endure to the end with eternal salvation ............... If you reject any of these your development in Christ could slow you down and inhibit your walk with Jesus
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Old 10-10-2013, 03:01 PM
 
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If you have found it, where is it ?. I do know this, Jesus Christ said it does not come with observation. If you believe you can observe it in your midst, where in our midst,and how can this be so if Jesus Christ said it is not something observed?.
The Kindom of God is in where the Spirit is. For that is His abode. It is the place of conformity to His image. So those that have the Spirit, they are comfortably in it.
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Old 10-10-2013, 03:30 PM
 
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Default How did the historical Jesus view the Kingdom of God?

More than once Jesus said, "To what shall I compare the Kingdom of God," and then spoke in parables so that His followers would understand, but the ruling Sanhedrin and the Roman government would not understand. The central theme and unifying message of Jesus' preaching was the promise of the Kingdom of God. Practically everything He said or did was to proclaim the Kingdom coming. It was the first message out of His mouth after separating from John the Baptist---"Repent, the Kingdom of God is near" (Mark 1:15).

It is at the core of the Lord's prayer: "Our Father, who are in heaven, holy is your name. May your Kingdom come---" (Matt 6:9-13, Luke 11:1-2). It was what He taught His followers to strive for above all other things, "Seek first the Kingdom of God, and God's justice, then all these things shall be added unto you" (Matt 6:33, Luke 12:31).

Outside of the New Testament the term "Kingdom of God" appears only in the apocryphal text The Wisdom of Solomon (10:10), in which God's kingdom is envisioned as physically situated in heaven.
But the Kingdom of God in Jesus' teachings may not be on a celestial plane. Those who claim otherwise can only point to a single verse in John where Jesus tells Pilate, "My kingdom is not of this world," (John 18:36). And that is an imprecise translation. The phrase ouk estin ek tou kosmou may be translated better as "not part of this order/system (of government)." Even if one accepts the historicity of this particular verse, and many scholars do not, Jesus was not necessarily claiming the Kingdom of God is unearthly, it's possible that he was saying it is unlike any kingdom or government on earth.

Jesus saw an immediate Kingdom. "The Kingdom of God is in your midst," (Luke 17:21). Far from prophesying about some future apocalypse (there will be wars and uprisings, earthquakes and famine, false messiahs and prophets [Mark 13: 5-37]), Jesus' words were a perfectly apt description of the era in which he lived: an era of wars, famines, and false messiahs. He even stated, "I tell you, there are those here who will not taste death until they have seen the Kingdom of God come with power" (Mark 9:1)

Jesus conception of the Kingdom of God may have been distinctive and unique, but to his audience it would have been quite familiar. Jesus was reiterating what zealots had been teaching for years--even decades. The message was the same belief that formed the foundation of the Jewish resistance movement from the Maccabees who threw off the yoke of Seleucid rule in 164 B.C.E., through the radical zealots and assassin Sicarii who fought the Roman occupation all the way to the last failed rebellion by the self proclaimed messiah, Simon, son of Kochba in 132 B.C, who invoked the same phrase "Kingdom of God" as a call for freedom from foreign rule.

Jesus was promising a righting of all the wrongs that were happening in occupied Judea. "Blessed are you who are hungry, for you shall be fed. Blessed are you who are mourning, for soon you shall be laughing" (Luke 6:20-21). These words are a promise of impending deliverance from subservience and foreign rule. They predict a new order where the meek inherit the earth, the sick are healed, the weak become strong, the hungry are fed and the poor are made rich. In the Kingdom of God, wealth will be redistributed and debts cancelled. "The first shall be last and the last shall be first," (Matt 5:3-12).
Indeed, in Acts 2:44-46, the early Church tried practicing what Jesus preached. A most interesting concept totally rejected by the universal Church of modern day.

Eventually His preaching of the Kingdom of God began to draw the attention of the Roman government and their puppet government, the Sanhedrin. He was seen as were many of the revolutionaries before Him, as a threat to their power.

When finally brought before Pilate, it was to be asked the only question that was of any importance to the Roman government, and the wrong answer to which was the standard punishment of all rebels and insurrectionists.

"Are you the King of the Jews?"
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Old 10-10-2013, 03:36 PM
 
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The Kindom of God is in where the Spirit is. For that is His abode. It is the place of conformity to His image. So those that have the Spirit, they are comfortably in it.
Thanks for that trettep.
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Old 10-10-2013, 03:59 PM
 
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That's it in a nutshell. It is within the believers and where ever the Spirit is, on earth or in heavens. Anyone who wants it, can have it (or enter it), as Jesus said it is already amongst us. Everyone is invited, but some refuse to come just like the parable of the wedding feast so clearly demonstrates.

When Jesus said it is amongst us, where amongst us, outside of you or within you?.

I have told you many times in the past, that everything of God flows from within, out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks,but you still prefer the safety of the naturally minded man who thinks and believes it is amongst us rather than within us. It may well be seen amongst us, but the coming of the kingdom of God flows from within. Knowing it is within we cannot possibly hide it, for the good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and the good man is, he who as found and entered the kingdom of God, and just like Joseph of old in the kingdom of Egypt who gave out of the storehouse of Pharaoh, gives out that which he's inherited from the kingdom of God to this world, on earth(Egypt) as it is in heaven.

You do know when Jesus said it is within, that he was saying that to those who thought it came with observation outside of us?. Obviously they did not know it was already here, or they wouldn't have been looking for it to come, in the way they thought it would. Carnal man is always looking outside of himself, he still thinks God is separated from him in heaven,he's looking for Jesus to meet him in the air, looking to go to a place beyond the starry skies. They also didn't understand that having found where the kingdom is, it establishes us back to our former glory of oneness with God, which when it dawns upon us and is understood, we begin to manifest God. If you have seen me you have seen the Father. That which is created of the flesh is flesh, that which is created of the spirit is spirit.

He comes when least expected and in the place least expected. ...........The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit. John 3

The wind shows up out the blue and blows right though us. It causes us to see and enter in to that kingdom we have sought and desired,which he planted the desire to do so in the first place, and that same desire is in all of us too, drowned out by many other desires we seek after,and voices we listen to that say you're not worthy of the kingdom or it cannot be found, seek something you can see and feel, here you go here's a bible, that should keep you happy, keep believing because you know what it says you know all truth.
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Old 10-10-2013, 04:08 PM
 
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When Jesus said it is amongst us, where amongst us, outside of you or within you?.
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That's it in a nutshell. It is within the believers and where ever the Spirit is, on earth or in heavens. Anyone who wants it, can have it (or enter it), as Jesus said it is already amongst us. Everyone is invited, but some refuse to come just like the parable of the wedding feast so clearly demonstrates.
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Old 10-10-2013, 04:16 PM
 
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That's it in a nutshell. It is within the believers and where ever the Spirit is, on earth or in heavens. Anyone who wants it, can have it (or enter it), as Jesus said it is already amongst us. Everyone is invited, but some refuse to come just like the parable of the wedding feast so clearly demonstrates.
So if someone asked you where do I seek and find the kingdom of God?, would you tell them to find it within or among us ?. Or would you say, you can only find it in Christians ?.
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Old 10-10-2013, 04:47 PM
 
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So if someone asked you where do I seek and find the kingdom of God?, would you tell them to find it within or among us ?. Or would you say, you can only find it in Christians ?.
I would tell them there is only path, and that is Jesus Christ. When you become a believer you become a part of the Kingdom, and the Kingdom becomes a part of you. It is among us, within the believers, and available to the rest.
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