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Old 10-10-2013, 06:58 AM
 
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Have you ever been told that you had misunderstood something in the Bible and you had to concede that, YES, I was wrong. I have and one of the times came from none other than a Jehovah's witness.
There is no trinity. --then we disagreed on His name.
One God who is all things--only one sovereignty. Jesus who is both visible and invisible and within.
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Old 10-10-2013, 12:06 PM
 
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Have you ever been told that you had misunderstood something in the Bible and you had to concede that, YES, I was wrong. I have and one of the times came from none other than a Jehovah's witness.
There is no trinity. --then we disagreed on His name.
One God who is all things--only one sovereignty. Jesus who is both visible and invisible and within.
Hi Sheila, I'm just curious, what was said that convinced you that there is no trinity? Bible verses such as:
Dt 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Psalm 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Galations 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

Was it something like this?
What is the origin of the myth?"The impression could arise that the Trinitarian dogma is in the last analysis a late 4th century invention. In a sense, this is true . . . The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century."—New Catholic Encyclopedia(1967), Volume 14, page 299.

Thanks for taking the time to answer.



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Old 10-10-2013, 12:08 PM
 
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Have you ever been told that you had misunderstood something in the Bible and you had to concede that, YES, I was wrong. I have and one of the times came from none other than a Jehovah's witness.
There is no trinity. --then we disagreed on His name.
One God who is all things--only one sovereignty. Jesus who is both visible and invisible and within.
If you believed a JW that there is no Trinity then you were lied to. I hope you realize that and change your mind on it.
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Old 10-10-2013, 12:11 PM
 
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The concept of Trinity is not based on physics, but on spirit and the same laws or ideas do not apply. On the other hand, the perception is not a requirement for salvation.
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Old 10-10-2013, 12:16 PM
 
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The concept of Trinity is not based on physics, but on spirit and the same laws or ideas do not apply. On the other hand, the perception is not a requirement for salvation.
Understanding that Jesus is God is a requirement--because without a divine Messiah, he is unable to live the Law perfectly and atone for mankind's sins. If he's not divine then he only died for his own sins.
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Old 10-10-2013, 12:21 PM
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Understanding that Jesus is God is a requirement--because without a divine Messiah, he is unable to live the Law perfectly and atone for mankind's sins. If he's not divine then he only died for his own sins.
Now you're starting to get it.
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Old 10-10-2013, 12:59 PM
 
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Hi Sheila, I'm just curious, what was said that convinced you that there is no trinity? Bible verses such as:
Dt 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Psalm 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Galations 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

Was it something like this?
What is the origin of the myth?"The impression could arise that the Trinitarian dogma is in the last analysis a late 4th century invention. In a sense, this is true . . . The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century."—New Catholic Encyclopedia(1967), Volume 14, page 299.

Thanks for taking the time to answer.



This is how I think of the Trinity---We are all cells of a body(God/Yeshua). This body is run by a head (Yeshua/Jesus) inside of this head is a brain (Father/intelligence/holy spirit). The body would be nothing without the holy life within (Holy Spirit/Father/love). The flesh (son)--the being (Father/son/holy spirit) and life within (Father,son,holy spirit). Still only one God.
It is in this way that mankind is created in the image of God and make up the body of Yeshua. We are just the tiny but intelligent cells that would be nothing without the head/brain/life that operates everything. This is how God is three in one and still all and in all.
GOD'S POINT?--Without our head/brain/life--What are we? DEAD!

KJV--COLOSSIANS 1:15-18--Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature(all life) 16--For by him were ALL things created(Jesus), that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers; all THINGS were created by him, and for him. 17--And he is before all things(Jesus), and by him all things consist. 18--And he is the head of the body the church (Jesus): who is the firstborn from the dead (Jesus); that in all things he might have preeminence. 19--For it pleased the Father(Jesus) that in Him should all fullness dwell; 20--And, Having made peace through the blood of HIS CROSS(Jesus), by Him to reconcile all things unto Himself; BY HIM(Jesus) I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

We have always been married to God--Jeremiah 3:14. We are the bride of Christ and married to Him. We are only married to one God--His name is Jesus. We aren't married to the flesh of Christ but to His spirit.

Matthew 11:27-Isaiah 44:6--Ephesians 4:4-6--Isaiah 45:22-23--John 14:7--Luke 17:21--Psalms 139:6-10--Matthew 1:23--Rev. 1:8--Rev 1:17-18,John 8:19---John 10:30--1 Timothy 3:16--Isaiah 45:22-23--Luke 17:21--John 14:7-
Baptize in the name of the Father, son and holy spirit---the name of Jesus Christ
Acts 2:38, Acts 8:16, Acts 19:5, Matthew 28:19, Romans 6:3
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Old 10-10-2013, 01:05 PM
 
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If you believed a JW that there is no Trinity then you were lied to. I hope you realize that and change your mind on it.
Vizio, are you married to a fleshly being that lived two thousand years ago or the invisible spirit of life, love, and breath that dwelt within Christ? That being dwells within all mankind--one spirit being that supplies our intelligence, life, etc. Have you ever had a direct answer from God and knew that He is real? I have--ONE GOD of spirit that dwells within. He is visible as His creations---us, but we are allowed our individuality/souls.---sons and daughters
Yeshua Bless You
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Old 10-10-2013, 01:35 PM
 
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This is how God is three in one and still all and in all.
Thanks Sheila Renae.
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Old 10-11-2013, 10:53 AM
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This is how I think of the Trinity---We are all cells of a body(God/Yeshua). This body is run by a head (Yeshua/Jesus) inside of this head is a brain (Father/intelligence/holy spirit). The body would be nothing without the holy life within (Holy Spirit/Father/love). The flesh (son)--the being (Father/son/holy spirit) and life within (Father,son,holy spirit). Still only one God.
It is in this way that mankind is created in the image of God and make up the body of Yeshua. We are just the tiny but intelligent cells that would be nothing without the head/brain/life that operates everything. This is how God is three in one and still all and in all.
GOD'S POINT?--Without our head/brain/life--What are we? DEAD!

KJV--COLOSSIANS 1:15-18--Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature(all life) 16--For by him were ALL things created(Jesus), that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers; all THINGS were created by him, and for him. 17--And he is before all things(Jesus), and by him all things consist. 18--And he is the head of the body the church (Jesus): who is the firstborn from the dead (Jesus); that in all things he might have preeminence. 19--For it pleased the Father(Jesus) that in Him should all fullness dwell; 20--And, Having made peace through the blood of HIS CROSS(Jesus), by Him to reconcile all things unto Himself; BY HIM(Jesus) I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

We have always been married to God--Jeremiah 3:14. We are the bride of Christ and married to Him. We are only married to one God--His name is Jesus. We aren't married to the flesh of Christ but to His spirit.

Matthew 11:27-Isaiah 44:6--Ephesians 4:4-6--Isaiah 45:22-23--John 14:7--Luke 17:21--Psalms 139:6-10--Matthew 1:23--Rev. 1:8--Rev 1:17-18,John 8:19---John 10:30--1 Timothy 3:16--Isaiah 45:22-23--Luke 17:21--John 14:7-
Baptize in the name of the Father, son and holy spirit---the name of Jesus Christ
Acts 2:38, Acts 8:16, Acts 19:5, Matthew 28:19, Romans 6:3
This is Jesus only. The Father is not Jesus and Jesus is both the Son of man and the Son of God. How can the Son be the Father?
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