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Old 10-14-2013, 01:40 PM
 
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Go look at a typical European calendar. Monday is the first day of the week there.


I will trust the Hebrew for keeping the calander.
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Old 10-14-2013, 07:34 PM
 
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Pagans worship the Sun........regardless of language.


And to that matter............saturday is still refered to as Sabbath in many regions of the world.
How does this connect to the title of the thread which is about Sunday?
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:15 PM
 
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I will trust the Hebrew for keeping the calander.

What type of church do you attend?...
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:21 PM
 
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What type of church do you attend?...


We rid ourself of the 'church' more than three years ago.


You would too if you ever did a historical study of the church.


We home studied until we outgrew the last group we were in. We met on sabbaths and for the first two years we went through the entire bible, cover to cover, extensive and exhausting studies, 7-8 hours long.

We have visited a messianic assembly, and for the most part we are comfortable there but they are over an hour away.


Right now we are just enjoying our Sabbath rest at home.
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:37 PM
 
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Sabbath Roots -- The African Connection

by Richard Nickels

Black Africans have a unique proclivity toward accepting the seventh-day Sabbath. Historically, Ethiopia, and many other parts of black Africa have been bastions of Sabbatarianism. Their isolation, for centuries, from the corrupting influence of Rome has allowed Africans to maintain much spiritual independence. Today, Christianity in general, and Sabbath-keeping in particular, is exploding in sub-Saharan Africa.

Charles E. Bradford, author of Sabbath Roots: The African Connection, brings to light many surprising historical facts. Those of us who have been schooled in European civilization may be shocked to realize the existence and widespread nature of unvarnished Christianity in black Africa, for centuries. About 340 million Africans profess Christianity. According to reliable estimates, Africa has the world's largest concentration of Sabbath-keepers, some 20 million people, of which only about three million are Seventh Day Adventists. The Sabbath is natural to black Africans. God is doing a work in Africa!
Ethiopia Equals Sabbath-Keeping

Ethiopia (Abyssinia) is a nation defined throughout its existence by its fidelity to the seventh-day Sabbath. Today, the numbers of Sabbath-keepers are exploding in Nigeria, Ghana, Kenya, Gabon, Congo, and elsewhere. Why? Because of the work of missionaries in the 1800s? No! The Sabbath is thriving in Africa because the Sabbath roots of Africa run deep, both in Scripture, and historical practice.

Psalm 68, the Pentecost Psalm, we read, "Princes shall come out of Egypt; Ethiopia shall soon stretch out her hands unto God," verse 31. And, she has, and is, responding to the Almighty. "When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called My son out of Egypt," Hosea 11:1. "From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia My suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring Mine offering, Zephaniah 3:10. (Zephaniah may have been of African descent, because he was the son of Cushi, a code name for a descendant of Cush, son of Ham.) "Also the sons of the stranger . . . every one that keepeth the Sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of My covenant; Even them will I bring to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My house of prayer," Isaiah 56:6-7.

African-American preachers have long emphasized the importance of Ethiopia in the plan and purpose of God. For them, the Abyssinian Church is the Church in the Wilderness through which God had maintained for Himself a witness down through the centuries. Egypt is mentioned in Scripture 611 times; Ethiopia 20 times. Egypt figures prominently in the plan and purpose of God, Isaiah 19:24-25. Ethiopia and Egypt are representative of the entire African continent. For the Ashanti (Akan) of Ghana, Saturday has been the traditional holy day, a day of worship of God. Among the Yorubas of Nigeria, the seventh day of the week has been a day when no work, no marriage, no festivities, should be performed. There is no record at any time in the history of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church that they have officially given up the Sabbath. Another group of Ethiopians, the Falasha, or "Black Jews," hold to a form of Old Testament religion that was dominant in Solomon's days.

There is a natural God-consciousness among Africans, both in Africa and in the "diaspora," or dispersed. With its theme of deliverance from slavery, justice, and righteousness, the Old Testament looms large in African thinking. Modern white, liberal, theology is foreign to the black mind, which usually take the Bible literally, and religious beliefs seriously. One does not go to Africa only to preach the Gospel; he goes to learn about the Almighty.
Racial Origins: One Source, One Place

What is the origin of the races? While some aspects may be shrouded in mystery, Bradford argues for a monogenetic (single source, single place) origin of mankind and the races, in Africa. Assyria in Mesopotamia, understood to be a northeast extension of Africa, is called in the Bible, "the Land of Nimrod [son of Cush],". In the "Table of Nations" of Genesis 10, Ham's progeny are given more space than any of the other sons of Noah. Of Ham's four sons, Mizraim went to Egypt, Cush to Ethiopia, Phut to Libya, and Canaan to Palestine. Whatever the origin of the racial differences of mankind, Bradford argues for their common origin, and common access to Yahweh's covenant, Genesis 9:8-19. The Sabbath is the great common denominator of that covenant. No one is excluded.

The so-called "curse of Ham" of Genesis 9:20-27 was not on Ham, but Canaan. The startling occurrence of Hebrew words in West African languages, especially in Yoruba, is evidence that covenant people descended from Ham have long permeated the African continent. Far from being pariahs from God, the Eternal has a heart for the African people: "Blessed be Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel Mine inheritance," Isaiah 19:25.


Sabbath Roots -- The African Connection



Someone asked about other parts of the world.
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:38 PM
 
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Sunrise service? easter- Ishtar..............you never have huh?


You know who Constantine is?

No, I dont do sunrise services and yes I know who Constantine is and what he did and how the RCC shaped Christianity.
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:39 PM
 
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On this page I have some overwhelming facts that EVERY Protestant needs to read. If the Protestant church of today knew what the Catholic church did in the past regarding the 7th Day Sabbath they would not be worshipping on Sundays today. I guarantee that if you are a TRUE child of God seeking to do exactly as the Creator would have you do, this information on this page will effect you in a major way! Prophecy states plainly that the beast will seek to change "times and laws" and on this page you will see ample evidence that the Roman Catholic church ADMITS to that very act!

The Word of God says:
Daniel 7:25, "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time."

The word of Rome says:
"The Pope has the power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ." "The Pope has the authority and often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ." -Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap. (The Pope can modify divine law.) Ferraris' Ecclesiastical Dictionary.



Rome ADMITS they changed the Sabbath
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:41 PM
 
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No, I dont do sunrise services and yes I know who Constantine is and what he did and how the RCC shaped Christianity.
Then you know that Constantine changed by civil decree the biblical 7th day Sabbath from the 7th day to the 1st day to appease the pagan sun worshipers.
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:44 PM
 
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Sun Worship

You see, at that time the cult of Mithraism or sun-worship was the official religion of the
Roman Empire
. It stood as the greatest competitor to the new Christian religion. It had its own organization, temples,
priesthood
, robes—everything. It also had an official worship day on which special homage was given to the sun. That day was called “
The Venerable Day of the Sun
.” It was the first day of the week, and from it we get our name Sunday. When Constantine pressed his pagan hordes into the church they were observing the day of the sun for their adoration of the sun god. It was their special holy day. In order to make it more convenient for them to make the change to the new religion, Constantine accepted their day of worship, Sunday, instead of the Christian Sabbath which had been observed by Jesus and His disciples. Remember that the way had been prepared for this already by the increasing anti-Jewish feelings against those who were accused of putting Jesus to death. Those feelings would naturally condition many Christians to swing away from something which was held religiously by the Jews. It is therefore easier to understand how the change was imposed on Christianity through a strong civil law issued by Constantine as the Emperor of Rome. The very wording of that law, by the way, can be found in any reliable encyclopedia. Those early Christians, feeling that the Jews should not be followed any more than necessary, were ready to swing away from the Sabbath which was kept by the Jews.


How The Sabbath Was Changed | Sabbath Truth
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:52 PM
 
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We rid ourself of the 'church' more than three years ago.


You would too if you ever did a historical study of the church.


We home studied until we outgrew the last group we were in. We met on sabbaths and for the first two years we went through the entire bible, cover to cover, extensive and exhausting studies, 7-8 hours long.

We have visited a messianic assembly, and for the most part we are comfortable there but they are over an hour away.


Right now we are just enjoying our Sabbath rest at home.
Sorry, but this sounds like the usual Hebrew Roots that bashes Christianity and trys to justify itself by Sabbath observance and label everything Christians do as pagan from Sunday worship, Christmas, Easter, the Trinity, and some other items. The only difference I have seen with what you have been saying is you are not obsessed with the sacred name doctrine in which if someone doesnt refer to God as YAH or Yahweh and Jesus as Yahushah they are not saved for using the incorrect name. Other wise, what you are saying is the same exact thing i heard from my Messianic friends, Messianic Hebrew and Hebrew Israelites I know.

Im not trying to be rude or insulting, but Ive heard it all before. While you are correct that Europe whitewashed the bible and the Catholic Church shaped Christianity with many things that are more traditional than biblical, alot of what you are saying still comes across as more condemnation to others while you beat your chest out for keeping the Sabbath and feast Days and not eating unclean foods. There are 613 OT commands and 1050 NT commands and we all fall short from time to time from the front or the back of the bible and that is why we need Jesus as our savior for our sins.

But 1800yrs it will be near impossible to undo what Rome did in regards to the day of worship.
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