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Old 08-23-2016, 12:49 AM
 
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Why wont anyone tell me who created hellfire and torment for the baddies. Or am I to understand that hell is only the common grave?
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Old 08-23-2016, 01:38 AM
 
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Well said.
As has been stated by others religions teach different things.
Consider:
Jesus is the first born from the dead. Col 1:18 then 1 Cor 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead , and become the first fruits of them that slept. 23 But every man is his own order : Christ the first fruits : afterward they that are at Christ's at his coming
The Bible at Revelation 7 tells a number of 144,000 being in heaven. This is made up of not natural Israel but spiritual. Reading the tribes if you examine closely Mannaseh is included but in the original Dan was there. Thats why its a spiritual Kingdom. Gen 49:10 Their function is at Rev 5:10 That was in line with Gods promise to Abraham at Gen 22:18 ALL NATIONS WOULD BE BLESSED John 3:16
Martha said something significant about that very state of thr resurrection. John 11:23, 24 Jesus saith unto her: Thy brother shall rise again. Martha saith unto him: I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at THE LAST DAY.
Jesus had also spoken of resurrecting the dead at John 5:28,29 Marvel not at this; for the hour is coming, in which ALL that are in the graves shall hear his voice. Theres no discrimination there. Jesus even told the evildoer who hung by him he would be in paradise. Heaven has no need of a paradise and the original paradise was on earth.
Because Rom 6:7 says For he that is dead is freed from sin a resurrection to life again has one of two outcomes. John 5:29 tthose who were good have a resurrection of life or those who practiced bad a resurrection of judgement. Unlike humans that judge on how a person was before they died, all who didnt know God and were ignorant have an opportunity to repent and turn around.
Any government or Kingdom has relatively few members in the actual government itself Dan 2:44
Therefore Gods Kingdom NEEDS SUBJECTS to rule and be benevolent to.
Psalm 37 29 and Matt 5:5
Gods will will be done on earth then as it is in heaven.
Matt 6:9,10
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Old 08-23-2016, 04:28 AM
 
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the other side of the sign said: "eat at moishe's."




lol!!
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Old 08-23-2016, 05:14 AM
 
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Why wont anyone tell me who created hellfire and torment for the baddies. Or am I to understand that hell is only the common grave?

Yes. Hell refers to the grave.

Here is an interesting article on the subject.

The Origin and History of the Doctrine of Endless Punishment
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Old 08-23-2016, 12:09 PM
 
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It's like this, I believe the Bible tells the Truth, that only truth, and if it says that Satan is the god of this world, I tend to believe it. What do you use to decide your opinions?
Intelligence, facts, logic and reason.
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Old 08-23-2016, 12:50 PM
 
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How many will go to heaven?
Everyone if you believe in god and jesus christ as lord & savior.
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Old 08-23-2016, 01:07 PM
 
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Everyone if you believe in god and jesus christ as lord & savior.
But Jesus clearly said most people will take the broad road to hell. Some savior!
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Old 08-23-2016, 01:28 PM
 
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Yes. Hell refers to the grave.

Here is an interesting article on the subject.

The Origin and History of the Doctrine of Endless Punishment
I don't believe in anything taught about Hell.
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Old 08-23-2016, 01:47 PM
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1 John 5

5 Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
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Old 08-23-2016, 02:00 PM
 
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1 John 5

5 Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
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