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Old 10-15-2013, 12:26 AM
 
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James Madison said,

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An alliance or coalition between Government and religion cannot be too carefully guarded against......Every new and successful example therefore of a PERFECT SEPARATION between ecclesiastical and civil matters is of importance........religion and government will exist in greater purity, without (rather) than with the aid of government


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It may not be easy, in every possible case, to trace the line of separation between the rights of religion and the Civil authority with such distinctness as to avoid collisions and doubts on unessential points. The tendency to unsurpastion on one side or the other, or to a corrupting coalition or alliance between them, will be best guarded agst. by an entire abstinence of the Gov't from interfence in any way whatsoever, beyond the necessity of preserving public order, and protecting each sect agst. trespasses on its legal rights by other.
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Hannah Gastonguay said her family was fed up with government control in the United States. As Christians, they don’t believe in "abortion, homosexuality, in the state-controlled church," she said.U.S. "churches aren’t their own," Gastonguay said, suggesting that government regulation interfered with religious independence. "Jesus isn’t the head of the church. God isn’t the head of the church," she said. Among other differences, she said they had a problem with being "forced to pay these taxes that pay for abortions we don’t agree with."
Woman fed up with government intrusion on religion gets lost at sea – thanks god when humans rescue her.

Most are probably not as mad as Hannah and her family. They eventually moved to the small Pacific island Kiribati.

I imagine most Americans, and the West in general take religious liberty as a given right. But, should we? Thankfully, we are not under savage government oppression as some are today. Nor, do we face sectarian brutality. But, we do face cultural wars on several fronts.

Faith based hospitals, health care services, charities and nonprofit businesses collided with the government's ACA's reproductive and abortion requirements.
Obamacare’s Abortion Mandate Gets Ready to Go | Daily News | NCRegister.com

Religious liberties are being upstaged by recent civil rights legislation.

It may sound petty, but one piece of a larger puzzle facing America's religious liberty is the annual news surrounding Public Education and Christmas. We are indeed a diverse pluralistic society today. It is often argued America is a Christian nation, and whether true or false, it permeates and resonates with many deeply.

Some propose a solution is strength in numbers. An ecumenical community of faiths. Others say no way. Could a threat arise that would require such neccesity? Time will tell.

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Old 10-15-2013, 12:34 AM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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Yawn.
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Old 10-15-2013, 04:20 AM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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Absolutely. There is an all out war against religious freedom. The problem is that there are so many civil issues that collide headlong into religious freedom. Christian civil servants who began employment 30 years ago are being told to go against their religious convictions and sanction same sex marriage. Privately owned companies are being forced to pay for abortions and contraception. Christian owners of businesses are facing eternal damnation if they want to stay in business.

All in the name of civil rights that aren't even rights and definitely aren't even protected by the Constitution. Religion is protected in the first ammendment. Abortion, contraception, and sexual preference are not in the constitution.

But that doesn't matter. The intent of the first ammendment is ignored and the first amendment, conceived as a shield to protect religious liberty, is reforged into a sword aimed right at the heart of religion.
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Old 10-15-2013, 04:23 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I would never want to live under a theocracy in this world. That's for sure.
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Old 10-15-2013, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Emmaus, PA
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1. I would never want America to be a theocracy.
2. Unless you are being prevented from praying in the privacy of your own home, then this is nothing but paranoid nonsense.
3. We live in a secular government that believes in the separation of church and state. Religious displays do NOT belong on government property nor does anything governmental belong on religious property - like an American flag in a church.
4. I AM a Christian - just not a paranoid ultra-conservative.
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Old 10-15-2013, 06:00 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Is Religious Liberty Threatened?
People keep telling me that my religious freedoms are under attack, but I am not seeing it. There are troubling trends in the society accepting gay marriage, drugs, abortion etc more than before, but how should that take away from my religious rights? It doesn't, because my faith is between me and my God. There are countries like Iran where it is dangerous to be Christian, but the Christians there are happy with their personal relationship with God. There is something about people and their desire to feel that they are under attack. I am not under attack, no matter how much others try to convinvce me that I am. I can't think of anything related to my faith that I want to do, but I am not allowed to do.

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Old 10-15-2013, 06:06 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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there is nothing that can be done to deter my relationship with the Creator. Make going to church illegal, that will not bother me. make reading my bible in public illegal, ill get over it.
In fact, it think something like that will actually make Christians stronger. people will start meeting in homes, no more mega churches. no more just going to a building, now people will actually learn to depend on each other and not facebook all their emotions.
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Old 10-15-2013, 06:23 AM
 
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I would never want to live under a theocracy in this world. That's for sure.
But you do already, it's called satanism.
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Old 10-15-2013, 06:25 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
People keep telling me that my religious freedoms are under attack, but I am not seeing it. There are troubling trends in the society accepting gay marriage, drugs, abortion etc more than before, but how should that take away from my religious rights? It doesn't, because my faith is between me and my God. There are countries like Iran where it is dangerous to be Christian, but the Christians there are happy with their personal relationship with God. There is something about people and their desire to feel that they are under attack. I am not under attack, no matter how much others try to convinvce me that I am. I can't think of anything related to my faith that I want to do, but I am not allowed to do.


Look up hangings in Iran, see how happy you would be, images are a wonderful thing, study them.
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Old 10-15-2013, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Deep Dirty South
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It's baseless, ridiculous and childish nonsense to assert that Christians are somehow persecuted or marginalized in this nation.

For one thing, close to 80% of the US population self-identify as Christian.

You cannot go four blocks in any city or tiny little town in this country without seeing at least one church, or church billboard, or mega-church.

Christians in America have their own chains of retail businesses, their own television networks, their own publishing companies, their own radio stations, their own advertising firms, their own lines of clothing, and so on and so forth.

And that is all well and good. This is how it should be. Christians should be free to engage in those activities and have these freedoms as well as the freedom to practice their faith the way they see fit.

But, given all these things I mentioned, how silly it is to try to turn around and claim that Christians are somehow mistreated or discriminated against in America. Nonsense.
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