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Old 10-21-2013, 03:54 PM
 
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You, and others herein are forcing various concepts of men into the Scriptures. In this case, Christ was not given as a Sacrifice, according to the theologies of men, rather, he was SENT to open the eyes of humanity. But the eyes can only see what the mind has, is, or will be prepared to comprehend: After this, Jesus, knowing that all things had already been accomplished (tetelestai), to fulfill the Scriptures, said – ‘I am thirsty.’ Therefore, when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, tetelestai (It is finished)!

And He bowed His head and gave up His Spirit:

· His death on the cross by the hands of godless men was complete.
· This man, who was raised up according to the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of the Spirit (and Father of all), overcame the wickedness of men, publically exposing them in the face of adversity.

The contextual translation is: It is finished, accomplished and completed, bringing to an end; it is not an accounting term that carries the meaning of "paid in full" as a penalty.

[It] makes absolutely no sense to take a detour from that which was accomplished, completed or finished, putting an end to sacrificing: For I desire mercy, not Sacrifice, unless of course, you would like add in a substitutionary theory. [It] is not a matter of satisfying the obligations of man’s justice, or the so called Penal Substitution Theory. Christ, the Victor, overthrew the power of the Law – as its condemnation of a perfect man was unjust. But you must understand the Cross from the perspective of Love, Mercy and Grace, rather than that of Legalism, which demands a payment.

Having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. (Colossians 2:14)
And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. (Colossians 2:15)
… Because through Christ Jesus, the Law of the Spirit of Life; set us free from the law of sin and death. (Romans 8:1)
This is an excellent study and testimony, Jerwade.

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On the contrary. No force fit is necessary. The Bible states in the clearest possible terms that Jesus sacrificed Himself on the Cross.
Hebrews 10:10 But this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. . . 12] but He, having offered one sacrifice for all time, sat down at the right hand of God.
As for the Greek word tetelestai it does indeed mean 'it is finished.' Or more precisely, 'it has been accomplished.' It is also an accounting term which means 'paid in full'. On this, the Bible Knowledge Commentary states concerning it's use in John 19:30;
19:30 The sixth word or saying that Jesus spoke from the cross was the single Greek work tetelestai which means It is finished. Papyri receipts for taxes have been recovered with the word tetelestai written across them, meaning ''paid in full.'' This word on Jesus' lips was significant. When He said, ''It is finished'' (not ''I am finished''), He meant His redemptive work was completed. He had been made sin for people (2 Cor. 5:21) and suffered the penalty of God's justice which sin deserved. [The Bible Knowledge Commentary, New Testament, An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty, p. 340] The misspelling of the word 'word' in front of tetelestai in the first sentence is their's.
Ancient tax receipts have been found in which the word tetelestai (paid in full) is written on them.


And as the Scriptures which I posted earlier show, Christ's death on the Cross demonstrated both God's love and His righteousness.

The demonstration of God's love;
John 3:16 ''For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes on Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.''
The demonstration of God's righteousness;
Romans 3:24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; 25] whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; 26] for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Christ's death on the Cross made it possible for God to be justified in making justified anyone who has faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus' death on the Cross was necessary in order to satisfy or propitiate the righteousness of the Father so that His justice could be free to bless with eternal life anyone who comes to Him through Jesus Christ. This is plainly shown in Romans 3:24.
This is a force-fit rationalization designed to retain the ignorant, savage, ancient superstitious beliefs about the nature and motives of God in the OT. It completely ignores and in fact contradicts Christ's unambiguous revelation about the True Nature of our God. It is a complete corruption of Christ's Gospel. It refutes the theme of Christ's entire life which was one of love and acceptance for ALL. It demeans the significance of His sacrifice from one of absolute love for us all . . . even His torturers and murderers ("No greater love . . ."). . . and corrupts it into a savage and barbaric appeasement of a vengeful, jealous War God possessed of every human psychological weakness known to man. It is a travesty of Biblical proportions.
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On the contrary. No force fit is necessary. The Bible states in the clearest possible terms that Jesus sacrificed Himself on the Cross.
Hebrews 10:10 But this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. . . 12] but He, having offered one sacrifice for all time, sat down at the right hand of God.
As for the Greek word tetelestai it does indeed mean 'it is finished.' Or more precisely, 'it has been accomplished.' It is also an accounting term which means 'paid in full'. On this, the Bible Knowledge Commentary states concerning it's use in John 19:30;
19:30 The sixth word or saying that Jesus spoke from the cross was the single Greek work tetelestai which means It is finished. Papyri receipts for taxes have been recovered with the word tetelestai written across them, meaning ''paid in full.'' This word on Jesus' lips was significant. When He said, ''It is finished'' (not ''I am finished''), He meant His redemptive work was completed. He had been made sin for people (2 Cor. 5:21) and suffered the penalty of God's justice which sin deserved. [The Bible Knowledge Commentary, New Testament, An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty, p. 340] The misspelling of the word 'word' in front of tetelestai in the first sentence is their's.
Ancient tax receipts have been found in which the word tetelestai (paid in full) is written on them.


And as the Scriptures which I posted earlier show, Christ's death on the Cross demonstrated both God's love and His righteousness.

The demonstration of God's love;
John 3:16 ''For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes on Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.''
The demonstration of God's righteousness;
Romans 3:24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; 25] whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; 26] for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Christ's death on the Cross made it possible for God to be justified in making justified anyone who has faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus' death on the Cross was necessary in order to satisfy or propitiate the righteousness of the Father so that His justice could be free to bless with eternal life anyone who comes to Him through Jesus Christ. This is plainly shown in Romans 3:24.
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This is a force-fit rationalization designed to retain the ignorant, savage, ancient superstitious beliefs about the nature and motives of God in the OT. It completely ignores and in fact contradicts Christ's unambiguous revelation about the True Nature of our God. It is a complete corruption of Christ's Gospel. It refutes the theme of Christ's entire life which was one of love and acceptance for ALL. It demeans the significance of His sacrifice from one of absolute love for us all . . . even His torturers and murderers ("No greater love . . ."). . . and corrupts it into a savage and barbaric appeasement of a vengeful, jealous War God possessed of every human psychological weakness known to man. It is a travesty of Biblical proportions.
On the contrary. It is Scripture as can readily be seen. It is as plain as can be, and it is staring you right in the face. Jesus came into the world to go to the Cross and die for the sins of the world. He came into the world without sin, and lived a life free from sin which qualified Him to go to the Cross and bear our sins in His own body.

An example of the true nature of Christ;
Phil. 2:5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6] who although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7] but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8] Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
The true nature of God is that while He is said to be love, He is also said to be a righteous God. He had to impose a penalty on sin. That penalty was spiritual death which is separation from God. But God, not desiring that any be lost, sent His Son into the world to pay the penalty in our place. The Cross demonstrates both God's love, and His perfect righteousness.

You cannot pick and choose from the Bible that which sounds good to you while discarding what you don't like. The claim that God did not impose a penalty on sin which Jesus had to pay in order to provide salvation for those who place their faith in Him is contrary to the Scriptures.
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Old 10-21-2013, 06:25 PM
 
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On the contrary. No force fit is necessary. The Bible states in the clearest possible terms that Jesus sacrificed Himself on the Cross.
Hebrews 10:10 But this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. . . 12] but He, having offered one sacrifice for all time, sat down at the right hand of God.

As for the Greek word tetelestai it does indeed mean 'it is finished.' Or more precisely, 'it has been accomplished.' It is also an accounting term which means 'paid in full'. On this, the Bible Knowledge Commentary states concerning it's use in John 19:30;
19:30 The sixth word or saying that Jesus spoke from the cross was the single Greek work tetelestai which means It is finished. Papyri receipts for taxes have been recovered with the word tetelestai written across them, meaning ''paid in full.'' This word on Jesus' lips was significant. When He said, ''It is finished'' (not ''I am finished''), He meant His redemptive work was completed. He had been made sin for people (2 Cor. 5:21) and suffered the penalty of God's justice which sin deserved. [The Bible Knowledge Commentary, New Testament, An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty, p. 340] The misspelling of the word 'word' in front of tetelestai in the first sentence is their's.
Ancient tax receipts have been found in which the word tetelestai (paid in full) is written on them.
"His sacrifice was not predicated on the invoices of men, nor any tax obligation."

John 19: 30
It is finished (tetelestai) , does not mean paid in full.

Rather, it means to bring to an end, as in complete or finished. Of course, if you can provide me with a receipt, instead of a commentary or lip service? I would be most interested! There are more than two-dozen-times in the New Testament, where it would, absolutely, make no sense to use the phrase "paid in full?" Perhaps, you should study more, instead of using the commentaries of your mentors? Or maybe, go through the various verses for yourself, and not hang your comprehension on two verses?


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You, and others herein are forcing various concepts of men into the Scriptures. In this case, Christ was not given as a Sacrifice, according to the theologies of men, rather, he was SENT to open the eyes of humanity. But the eyes can only see what the mind has, is, or will be prepared to comprehend: After this, Jesus, knowing that all things had already been accomplished (tetelestai), to fulfill the Scriptures, said – ‘I am thirsty.’ Therefore, when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, tetelestai (It is finished)!

And He bowed His head and gave up His Spirit:

· His death on the cross by the hands of godless men was complete.
· This man, who was raised up according to the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of the Spirit (and Father of all), overcame the wickedness of men, publically exposing them in the face of adversity.

The contextual translation is: It is finished, accomplished and completed, bringing to an end; it is not an accounting term that carries the meaning of "paid in full" as a penalty.

[It] makes absolutely no sense to take a detour from that which was accomplished, completed or finished, putting an end to sacrificing: For I desire mercy, not Sacrifice, unless of course, you would like add in a substitutionary theory. [It] is not a matter of satisfying the obligations of man’s justice, or the so called Penal Substitution Theory. Christ, the Victor, overthrew the power of the Law – as its condemnation of a perfect man was unjust. But you must understand the Cross from the perspective of Love, Mercy and Grace, rather than that of Legalism, which demands a payment.

Having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. (Colossians 2:14)
And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. (Colossians 2:15)
… Because through Christ Jesus, the Law of the Spirit of Life; set us free from the law of sin and death. (Romans 8:1)



Who rose from the dead first?...
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Who rose from the dead first?...
Lazarus?
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Lazarus?
Every man in his own order, as physical death does not prevail.
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On the contrary. No force fit is necessary. The Bible states in the clearest possible terms that Jesus sacrificed Himself on the Cross.
Hebrews 10:10 But this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. . . 12] but He, having offered one sacrifice for all time, sat down at the right hand of God.
As for the Greek word tetelestai it does indeed mean 'it is finished.' Or more precisely, 'it has been accomplished.' It is also an accounting term which means 'paid in full'. On this, the Bible Knowledge Commentary states concerning it's use in John 19:30;
19:30 The sixth word or saying that Jesus spoke from the cross was the single Greek work tetelestai which means It is finished. Papyri receipts for taxes have been recovered with the word tetelestai written across them, meaning ''paid in full.'' This word on Jesus' lips was significant. When He said, ''It is finished'' (not ''I am finished''), He meant His redemptive work was completed. He had been made sin for people (2 Cor. 5:21) and suffered the penalty of God's justice which sin deserved. [The Bible Knowledge Commentary, New Testament, An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty, p. 340] The misspelling of the word 'word' in front of tetelestai in the first sentence is their's.
Ancient tax receipts have been found in which the word tetelestai (paid in full) is written on them.


And as the Scriptures which I posted earlier show, Christ's death on the Cross demonstrated both God's love and His righteousness.

The demonstration of God's love;
John 3:16 ''For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes on Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.''
The demonstration of God's righteousness;
Romans 3:24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; 25] whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; 26] for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Christ's death on the Cross made it possible for God to be justified in making justified anyone who has faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus' death on the Cross was necessary in order to satisfy or propitiate the righteousness of the Father so that His justice could be free to bless with eternal life anyone who comes to Him through Jesus Christ. This is plainly shown in Romans 3:24.
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"His sacrifice was not predicated on the invoices of men, nor any tax obligation."

John 19: 30
It is finished (tetelestai) , does not mean paid in full.

Rather, it means to bring to an end, as in complete or finished. Of course, if you can provide me with a receipt, instead of a commentary or lip service? I would be most interested! There are more than two-dozen-times in the New Testament, where it would, absolutely, make no sense to use the phrase "paid in full?" Perhaps, you should study more, instead of using the commentaries of your mentors? Or maybe, go through the various verses for yourself, and not hang your comprehension on two verses?

As I said, Tetelestai means 'it is finished', but it also means 'paid in full'.

Thayer's Definition also lists 'to pay' as one of the meanings of tetelestai.
Thayer's Definition
1. to bring to a close, to finish, to end a. passed, finished

2. to perform, execute, complete, fulfil, (so that the thing done corresponds to what has been said, the order, command etc.) a. with special reference to the subject matter, to carry out the contents of a command
b. with reference also to the form, to do just as commanded, and generally involving the notion of time, to perform the last act which completes a process, to accomplish, fulfil

3. to pay a. of tribute

"It is finished or paid" John 19:30

Strong's #5055 - τελέω - Old & New Testament Greek - Lexicons - StudyLight.org
On the Cross Jesus paid in full the penalty for the sins of the world. He redeemed us. Redemption speaks of purchasing. In the Book of Revelation John writes that the 24 elders sang a song of praise to Jesus regarding His redemptive work on the Cross.
Rev. 5:9 And they sang a new song, saying, ''Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.
The apostle Paul said in 1 Corinthians 6:20 that we have been bought with a price.
1 Cor. 6:20 For you have been bought with a price; therefore glorify God in your body.
Jesus paid for our sins on the Cross. He redeemed us. He paid the price which was due us.

When Jesus said, 'tetelestai' - it has been accomplished, He was referring to the fact that He had paid the price, the penalty for the sins of the world.


As for the commentary from the Bible Knowledge Commentary that you dismissed, that was done by Dr. Edwin Blum who taught Greek and theology at Dallas Theological Seminary for seventeen years as Associate Professor of Historical Theology. He is also the General Editor of the Holman Christian Standard Bible.

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"His sacrifice was not predicated on the invoices of men, nor any tax obligation."

John 19: 30
It is finished (tetelestai) , does not mean paid in full.

Rather, it means to bring to an end, as in complete or finished. Of course, if you can provide me with a receipt, instead of a commentary or lip service? I would be most interested! There are more than two-dozen-times in the New Testament, where it would, absolutely, make no sense to use the phrase "paid in full?" Perhaps, you should study more, instead of using the commentaries of your mentors? Or maybe, go through the various verses for yourself, and not hang your comprehension on two verses?

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As I said, Tetelestai means 'it is finished', but it also means 'paid in full'.

Thayer's Definition also lists 'to pay' as one of the meanings of tetelestai.
Thayer's Definition
1. to bring to a close, to finish, to end a. passed, finished

2. to perform, execute, complete, fulfil, (so that the thing done corresponds to what has been said, the order, command etc.) a. with special reference to the subject matter, to carry out the contents of a command
b. with reference also to the form, to do just as commanded, and generally involving the notion of time, to perform the last act which completes a process, to accomplish, fulfil

3. to pay a. of tribute

"It is finished or paid" John 19:30

Strong's #5055 - τελέω - Old & New Testament Greek - Lexicons - StudyLight.org
On the Cross Jesus paid in full the penalty for the sins of the world. He redeemed us. Redemption speaks of purchasing. In the Book of Revelation John writes that the 24 elders sang a song of praise to Jesus regarding His redemptive work on the Cross.
Rev. 5:9 And they sang a new song, saying, ''Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.
The apostle Paul said in 1 Corinthians 6:20 that we have been bought with a price.
1 Cor. 6:20 For you have been bought with a price; therefore glorify God in your body.
Jesus paid for our sins on the Cross. He redeemed us. He paid the price which was due us.

When Jesus said, 'tetelestai' - it has been accomplished, He was referring to the fact that He had paid the price, the penalty for the sins of the world.
The death, burial, and resurrection were truly an act of love, mercy and grace within the envelope of forgiveness, overturning the hypocritical verdict of an illegal system of justice that professes to be judge, jury, and executioner; sentencing to death the innocent. And, at the same time proclaiming the righteousness of him who died, as their sacrifice in a pretense of having his virtues imputed to themselves, according to the letter of their own understanding! He laid down his own life from a position of love, not that which is based on a Penal Substitution theory – for love covers a multitude of sin. Whereas, under the law, it was a life for a life; an eye for an eye in the form of a payment. In a world immersed in error, it is not an easy thing to believe that God washed away all the sins of humanity.

"The
works of the Spirit are for healing, not for condemnation."

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As for the commentary from the Bible Knowledge Commentary that you dismissed, that was done by Dr. Edwin Blum who taught Greek and theology at Dallas Theological Seminary for seventeen years as Associate Professor of Historical Theology. He is also the General Editor of the Holman Christian Standard Bible.
Whether, it is from the tombs of Dallas, CARM, or the Greek-English lexicon by Moulton and Milligan; it is still hearsay, gained or acquired from that of another.

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Default The greek words have a sense of accomplishment

The Synoptic Gospels narrated the horror of the event - the agony in the garden, the abandonment by his Apostles, the trial before the Sanhedrin, the intense mockery and torture heaped upon Jesus, his suffering all alone, the darkness over the land, and his death, starkly portrayed by both Matthew (27:47-51) and Mark (15:33-38).

In contrast, the passion of Jesus in the Gospel of John expresses his Kingship and proves to be His triumphant road to glory. John presents Jesus as directing the action the entire way. The phrase "It is finished" carries a sense of accomplishment. In John, there is no trial before the Sanhedrin, and gone are the repeated mockeries and scourging. But rather, Jesus is introduced at the Roman trial as "Behold your King!"¯ (John 19:14). Jesus is not stumbling or falling as in the Synoptic Gospels, but the way of the Cross is presented with majesty and dignity, for Jesus went out bearing his own Cross¯ (John 19:17).

So although the gospels present a different Jesus in terms of trial and walking the way to Golgotha, the singular words in John, the last written gospel, had enough early Christian spiritual interpretation to reach the spiritual conclusions alluded to by other posters. The Greek words carry that sense of accomplishment not found in the other final utterances recorded in the synoptic gospels.

Factually Mark and Matthew's version of trial and death are probably closer related to the original oral traditions than John. But John spells out what early Christian's were already embracing--a Christ who had accomplished His goal(s) [a goal or goals not yet completely defined by orthodoxy].

The number of sermons and interpretations not just of these words, but of all the "last seven statements" from the cross, are legion. One of the more interesting I discovered was that Franciscans interpret "It is finished" as promoting dignity in death!!??

"Human dignity should be respected even when dying. Old and sick people have the right to be treated with dignity even in their last days and hours. Let us respect and ensure their right to a dignified death. "

This was basically their prayer with regard to that utterance of Jesus, and their site speaks of Franciscans being the first to address the mistreatment of the elderly in the public and private institutions of France.

Obviously the range of interpretations about "sense of accomplishment" is wide ranging.
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As I said, Tetelestai means 'it is finished', but it also means 'paid in full'.

Thayer's Definition also lists 'to pay' as one of the meanings of tetelestai.
Thayer's Definition
1. to bring to a close, to finish, to end a. passed, finished

2. to perform, execute, complete, fulfil, (so that the thing done corresponds to what has been said, the order, command etc.) a. with special reference to the subject matter, to carry out the contents of a command
b. with reference also to the form, to do just as commanded, and generally involving the notion of time, to perform the last act which completes a process, to accomplish, fulfil

3. to pay a. of tribute

"It is finished or paid" John 19:30

Strong's #5055 - τελέω - Old & New Testament Greek - Lexicons - StudyLight.org
On the Cross Jesus paid in full the penalty for the sins of the world. He redeemed us. Redemption speaks of purchasing. In the Book of Revelation John writes that the 24 elders sang a song of praise to Jesus regarding His redemptive work on the Cross.
Rev. 5:9 And they sang a new song, saying, ''Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.
The apostle Paul said in 1 Corinthians 6:20 that we have been bought with a price.
1 Cor. 6:20 For you have been bought with a price; therefore glorify God in your body.
Jesus paid for our sins on the Cross. He redeemed us. He paid the price which was due us.

When Jesus said, 'tetelestai' - it has been accomplished, He was referring to the fact that He had paid the price, the penalty for the sins of the world.


As for the commentary from the Bible Knowledge Commentary that you dismissed, that was done by Dr. Edwin Blum who taught Greek and theology at Dallas Theological Seminary for seventeen years as Associate Professor of Historical Theology. He is also the General Editor of the Holman Christian Standard Bible.
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The death, burial, and resurrection were truly an act of love, mercy and grace within the envelope of forgiveness, overturning the hypocritical verdict of an illegal system of justice that professes to be judge, jury, and executioner; sentencing to death the innocent. And, at the same time proclaiming the righteousness of him who died, as their sacrifice in a pretense of having his virtues imputed to themselves, according to the letter of their own understanding! He laid down his own life from a position of love, not that which is based on a Penal Substitution theory – for love covers a multitude of sin. Whereas, under the law, it was a life for a life; an eye for an eye in the form of a payment. In a world immersed in error, it is not an easy thing to believe that God washed away all the sins of humanity.

"The
works of the Spirit are for healing, not for condemnation."

Whether, it is from the tombs of Dallas, CARM, or the Greek-English lexicon by Moulton and Milligan; it is still hearsay, gained or acquired from that of another.
Sin is a violation of the perfect standard of God. God who is holy had to impose a penalty on sin. He had warned Adam that the day he ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil he would die. And he did die that very day, that very moment. Not physically but spiritually. His relationship with God was severed. His physical death came much later and was the result of having died spiritually. Adam's original sin caused death to come on the entire human race which was seminally in him and of which he was the federal head. God's love for Adam did not and could not prevent Him in perfect righteousness from having to condemn Adam.

But in grace, God immediately gave the promise of a coming Messiah. The animal sacrificial system which God instituted for Israel was a type or picture of the sacrifice that the coming Messiah would make on the Cross. Hebrews chapters 9 and 10 speak of this. Jesus' sacrifice paid the penalty for the sins of the world that the righteousness of God required. The blood of bulls and goats could not take away sins (Heb. 10:4), but the perfect sacrifice of Jesus did (Heb. 10:10-14).

The Cross was a demonstration both of God's love and righteousness because God so loved the world that He was willing to send His Son into the world to pay the penalty for sin that was due man and which must be paid. Again, the penalty for sin is spiritual death which is separation from God. Jesus' spiritual death, His separation from God the Father occurred during the three hour period from 12 noon to about 3 pm when the Father caused a supernatural darkness to come over the land during which time He poured out the sins of the world on Jesus. During that time the Father had to turn away from Christ causing Him to cry out in fulfillment of Scripture, 'My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me (Matthew 27:46). The Father had to forsake Jesus while He was bearing the sins of the world in His body (1 Peter 2:24). Because Jesus is both God and man, His death on the Cross as man had infinite value which is why He could pay the penalty for man's sins in that three hour period, whereas, if He had not paid the penalty, man would have been eternally separated from God.

You have seen the Scriptures which state that Jesus purchased, bought, paid for, redeemed us with His blood, which means that He paid a price so that eternal salvation is free for anyone who simply trusts in Him for the forgiveness of sins. When Jesus said 'tetelestai' - it has been accomplished, it meant that the sins of the world had been paid for in full and the barrier of sin between man and God was removed. The only issue is whether a person will accept receive the free gift of eternal life by placing his faith in Christ Jesus.

God did not send Jesus to the Cross to say ''I love you so much that to prove it, here, kill My Son. Gee, doesn't that show how much I love you?'' God demonstrated His love by sending Jesus to the Cross to suffer the penalty that was due mankind in order that the penalty His righteousness imposed on sin could be satisfied.


The only reason you refuse to believe that tetelestai carries the meaning of 'paid in full', is because you don't want to believe that Jesus had to pay the penalty for our sins. But Scripture says that He did.
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