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Old 10-17-2013, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Frisco, TX
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People can avoid the type of preaching Paul warned about in Galatians (read: the law) by watching what they're lead to feed on. I've heard it said that if the pastor beats his sheep (instead of feeing them), to run - not walk - out of there.
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Old 10-17-2013, 02:00 PM
 
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Perhaps what you've astutely pointed out are the symptomatic diagnosis of illness and the prognostic indicator of events foretold.
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Old 10-17-2013, 02:28 PM
 
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my vote is for numbers three and seven--in my rural area most strangers are ignored or met with a hostile undercurrent if they have an ethnic difference
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Old 10-17-2013, 02:48 PM
 
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Still after the popularity of Christianity has waned , into a more refined Christian today , were the believers a walking the walk and knowing God in the truth , and keeping in the truth ..... So churches who fail to keep to the truth and spread some false understanding can find that the power of Christ is in lacks and Holy Spirit is not there , and will have to support their churches with out the provision of Lord Jesus ..... Where as churches which invite Jesus Spirit into their Churches and are lead by Christ , and are obedient to the calling of Christ will have the power of Christ to hold up the church and the Sunday Schools will be filled with kids who are demanding the truth ........See these churches with God grace have the power to cleans the people of dark spirits which manipulated people to not love the Lord God and stay home ,... So people can be free to enjoy going to church , and loving the Lord and His people ..... See there is power of Christ for those who are obedient in their faith , and do what they are called
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Old 10-17-2013, 02:53 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Still after the popularity of Christianity has waned , into a more refined Christian today , were the believers a walking the walk and knowing God in the truth , and keeping in the truth ..... So churches who fail to keep to the truth and spread some false understanding can find that the power of Christ is in lacks and Holy Spirit is not there , and will have to support their churches with out the provision of Lord Jesus ..... Where as churches which invite Jesus Spirit into their Churches and are lead by Christ , and are obedient to the calling of Christ will have the power of Christ to hold up the church and the Sunday Schools will be filled with kids who are demanding the truth ........See these churches with God grace have the power to cleans the people of dark spirits which manipulated people to not love the Lord God and stay home ,... So people can be free to enjoy going to church , and loving the Lord and His people ..... See there is power of Christ for those who are obedient in their faith , and do what they are called
So much for the success of the Joel Olsteens of the world right?
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Old 10-17-2013, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Somerset, Kentucky
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Here is the link to the article

Why Nobody Wants to Go to Church Anymore | Steve McSwain

Trends Impacting Church Decline:
1. The demographic remapping of America.
Whites are the majority today at 64 percent. In 30 to 40 years, they will be the minority. One in every three people you meet on the street in three to four decades will be of Hispanic origin. In other words, if you are not reaching Hispanics today, your church's shelf life is already in question.
Furthermore, America is aging. Go into almost any traditional, mainline church in America, observe the attendees and you'll quickly see a disproportionate number of gray-headed folks in comparison to all the others. According to Pew Research, every day for the next 16 years, 10,000 new baby boomers will enter retirement. If you cannot see where this is headed, my friend, there is not much you can see.
2. Technology.
Technology is changing everything we do, including how we "do" church. Yet, there are scores of churches that are still operating in the age of the Industrial Revolution. Instead of embracing the technology and adapting their worship experiences to include the technology, scores of traditional churches, mainline Protestant, and almost all Catholic churches do not utilize the very instruments that, without which, few Millennials would know how to communicate or interact.
However, when I suggest to pastors and priests, as I frequently do, that they should use social media and, even in worship, they should, for example, right smack in the middle of a sermon, ask the youth and young adults to text their questions about the sermon's topic... that you'll retrieve them on your smartphone... and, before dismissing, answer the three best questions about today's sermon, most of the ministers look at me as if I've lost my mind. What they should be more concerned about is why the Millennials have little or no interest in what they have to say.
3. Leadership Crisis
Enough has been written about this in the past. But you can be sure, clergy abuse, the cover-up by the Church, and fundamentalist preachers and congregations have been driving people away from the Church, and continue to drive people away, faster than any other causes combined.
4. Competition
People have more choices on weekends than simply going to church. Further, the feelings of shame and guilt many people used to feel and church leaders used to promote for not attending church every week is gone.
There are still those, however, who want to categorize Christians as an explanation for the church's decline in attendance in a futile effort to make things not look so bad. But this, too, is the illusion that many church leaders and denominational executives are perpetrating but nobody is paying attention. They are just too blind to see that.
For example, in the very same article I referenced above, Ed Stetzer has concocted three different categories of Christians he conveniently thinks explains the dire situation faced by the church.
He says there is a kind of "classification" system between those who "profess Christianity" as their faith choice.
  • First, he says there are cultural Christians or those who "believe" themselves to be Christians simply because their culture says they are. But, clearly, he implies they are not.
  • Second, he classifies a group of congregational Christians which he says are not much better off than the first misguided group, except that these are loosely connected to the church.
  • Third, he notes the third group, which no doubt he ranks as "his" group, that he calls the convictional Christians. These are the true Christians who are actually living their faith, according to Ed Stetzer.
I've got news for you, Mr. Stetzer, there are scores of people who have left the church, not because they possess some phony or inferior faith, as you would like to believe, but precisely because they do not want to be around judgmental people like you. They have left, not to abandon their faith, but precisely because they wish to preserve it. You would be much better off to leave the judgment-making to Someone infinitely more qualified to do so (Matt. 7:1).
5. Religious Pluralism
Speaking of competition, there is a fifth trend impacting the decline of the church in America. People have more choices today. Credit this to the social changes in the '60s, to the Internet, to the influx of immigrants and minorities, to whatever you'd like, but the fact is, people today meet other people today of entirely different faith traditions and, if they are discovering anything at all, it is that there are scores of people who live as much, if not more, like Christ than many of the Christians they used to sit beside in church.
The diversity of this nation is only going to expand. Which is why, you might debate some of Diana Eck's conclusions, the Harvard scholar and researcher, but her basic premise in correctly stated in the title of her book, A New Religious America: How a 'Christian Country' Has Become the World's Most Religiously Diverse Nation.
6. The "Contemporary" Worship Experience
This, too, has contributed to the decline of the church. It's been the trend in the last couple of decades for traditional, mainline churches to pretend to be something they're not. Many of them have experimented with praise bands, the installation of screens, praise music, leisure dress on the platform, and... well... you know how well that's been received.
Frankly, it has largely proven to be a fatal mistake. Of course, there are exceptions to this everywhere and especially in those churches where there is an un-traditional look already, staging, an amphitheater-style seating, as well as the budget to hire the finest musicians to perform for worship. In traditional, mainline churches, however, trying to make a stained-glass atmosphere pass as the contemporary worship place has met with about as much success as a karaoke singer auditioning for The X Factor.
7. Phony Advertising
There's one more trend I'll mention I believe is having devastating impact on the Church and most certainly contributing to its decline. You cannot tell Millennials that your church welcomes everybody -- that all can come to Jesus -- and then, when they come, what they find are few mixed races or no mixed couples.
You cannot say, "Everybody is welcome here if, by that, you really mean, so long as you're like the rest of us, straight and in a traditional family."
In the words of Rachel Evans, a millennial herself and a blogger for CNN, "Having been advertised to our whole lives, we millennials have highly sensitive BS meters."
In other words, cut the bull. If everyone is not really equally welcomed to the table at your church, stop advertising that you are open to anyone. That is not only a lie, but Millennials can see through the phony façade as clearly as an astronomer, looking through the Hubble telescope, can see the infinity of space.
There are other trends. These are just a few of them. In Part Two, I'll offer some "best practices" I think the Church should seriously consider if it ever plans to get real and honest about its future and its influence on culture and society


What are your thoughts on this article???
I think most people on the planet like interaction more than just sitting still and listening to someone talk AT them. I've suggested debate type classes where people can ask questions and have them answered by an authority. Something like these forums. A place with the preacher, elders and deacons where people interact with either opposing views or just questions that have been weighing on their minds. I have yet to get anyone in my church to listen. This type of thing would draw an interest from the people. What do you think?
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Old 10-17-2013, 08:55 PM
 
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I think most people on the planet like interaction more than just sitting still and listening to someone talk AT them. I've suggested debate type classes where people can ask questions and have them answered by an authority. Something like these forums. A place with the preacher, elders and deacons where people interact with either opposing views or just questions that have been weighing on their minds. I have yet to get anyone in my church to listen. This type of thing would draw an interest from the people. What do you think?
Thats is a good idea, but most churches will say that is what their Sunday school or bible study is for even though it is still most of the time just listening to someone and if the 2 disagree its like the atmosphere gets really cold in a hurry. T
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Old 10-17-2013, 09:05 PM
 
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So much for the success of the Joel Olsteens of the world right?

If hell existed, Osteen would have a very special room set aside for him.

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Old 10-17-2013, 09:42 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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If hell existed, Osteen would have a very special room set aside for him.
Gosh even this atheist is not that harsh on him.
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Old 10-18-2013, 12:02 AM
 
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2 other things that are causing the decline in church attendance are.

Overly Sensitive People
I cant recall how many people that I have seen in church for many years and they get a insensitive comment from someone, or take the comment way to serious and they leave the church and stay home. 5-10 yrs gone over 1 comment or question. Yet when they are at their job, people say 5-10 times worse comments to them and they show up everyday with a smile to the person.
Of course they'll show up; they need the check.
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