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Old 10-19-2013, 11:42 AM
 
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They are not receptive to it because so many people are unwilling to do anything different than they have done for the last 150 years. I was called to serve here to bring about change; the slightest little thing I do has them screaming, filing complaints and asking I be removed. Even not preaching from the pulpit but from in front and moving around causes problems for people - what is worse is I don't have my sermons typed out perfectly and just read them... I rely on the Spirit to finalize the message. Add to that the comments that my sermons are too challenging and force them to think, and you can see why this group is unable to entertain an interactive sermon.

In the end they will prevail as I am working with the powers that be to be re-assigned. Who they called me to be as their pastor is not who they want me to be now that I am here... a situation they will have to resolve before the next minister comes.
Well, RevRandy you better get with the program, brother. Ha, ha.
There was a church in the state I live in, this was some years back now. They hired a new pastor. He was apparently a fiery preacher. It was reported that on more than one occasion he threw a bible in the general direction of a church member. He admitted throwing bibles, but not at people. The flock wanted the shepherd gone, the shepherd wanted to work it out. It ended up in court. The pastor lost.

I've read that 80% of seminarians and pastors quit within 5 years. There's even pastoral dismissal or termination insurance. And to think they only have to work one day a week, Sunday.

A lot of Christians are just how you portray them. They either want to be entertained or they want to catch up on their sleep. Unfortunately, there are plenty of pastors more than willing to oblige. I remember one church I was at for a couple of months helping them with a youth program. There was a huge clock on the back wall. When it struck 11am the pastor simply stopped talking in mid-sentence and everyone got up to leave.
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Old 10-19-2013, 12:07 PM
 
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Now personally, where I'm more a stick in the mud about services is the departure from traditional hymns to praise songs. Nothing wrong with praise songs in and of themselves, but there is not much theology taught as there were in the old hymns of the past -- Rock of Ages, What a Friend We Have in Jesus, The Old Rugged Cross, Faith of our Fathers, and many more theological thoughtful hymns. And perhaps my favorite is "It Is Well With My Soul" composed by a man who had learned in a telegraph from his wife that the sinking of the ship she and their four daughters were on had left her as the only survivor. Her telegraph stated, "Saved, but saved alone." He sat down at his writing table and penned those mighty words in It Is Well With MY Soul, in the midst of his grief. The story behind that hymn illustrates how God can speak even in the present and is not confined to the words of the Bible. I had sung the song with far less fervor before I knew the tragedy underlying the conviction in the message of the hymn. I pray that I would have the strength of that great Christian hymn writer.
I'm not into the praise music that has five to ten words. I'll take Fanny Crosby and Isaac Watts any day. Worse, is when a rock song like Paul McCartney's Maybe I'm Amazed and Sly and The Family Stone's I Want To Take You Higher are sung as Christian songs.

When we walk with the Lord
in the light of his word,
what a glory he sheds on our way!
While we do his good will,
he abides with us still,
and with all who will trust and obey.
-John H Sammis
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Old 10-19-2013, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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I'm not into the praise music that has five to ten words. I'll take Fanny Crosby and Isaac Watts any day. Worse, is when a rock song like Paul McCartney's Maybe I'm Amazed and Sly and The Family Stone's I Want To Take You Higher are sung as Christian songs.

When we walk with the Lord
in the light of his word,
what a glory he sheds on our way!
While we do his good will,
he abides with us still,
and with all who will trust and obey.
-John H Sammis
Amen!! You keep that kind of preaching going!!
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Old 10-19-2013, 01:41 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Here is the link to the article

Why Nobody Wants to Go to Church Anymore | Steve McSwain

Trends Impacting Church Decline:

7. Phony Advertising
There's one more trend I'll mention I believe is having devastating impact on the Church and most certainly contributing to its decline. You cannot tell Millennials that your church welcomes everybody -- that all can come to Jesus -- and then, when they come, what they find are few mixed races or no mixed couples.
You cannot say, "Everybody is welcome here if, by that, you really mean, so long as you're like the rest of us, straight and in a traditional family."
In the words of Rachel Evans, a millennial herself and a blogger for CNN, "Having been advertised to our whole lives, we millennials have highly sensitive BS meters."
In other words, cut the bull. If everyone is not really equally welcomed to the table at your church, stop advertising that you are open to anyone. That is not only a lie, but Millennials can see through the phony façade as clearly as an astronomer, looking through the Hubble telescope, can see the infinity of space.
There are other trends. These are just a few of them. In Part Two, I'll offer some "best practices" I think the Church should seriously consider if it ever plans to get real and honest about its future and its influence on culture and society


What are your thoughts on this article???
I'm not surprised about number 7 (bold and indented) being used as the excuse for one of the reasons why.

That isn't the fault of a church to hold to the truth that God declares that it's 1 man \ 1 woman for marriage.
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Old 10-19-2013, 02:10 PM
 
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1Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men
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Old 10-19-2013, 03:18 PM
 
Location: New England
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So, if God gave you a direct order to kill, you would not follow God's order?
No because I'm not a savage, and because Jesus said it is the devil that came to steal KILL and destroy.
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Old 10-19-2013, 03:21 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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So, if God gave you a direct order to kill, you would not follow God's order?
That excuse is been tried in many a murder cases in the courts and has never been accepted. Nor should it ever be accepted.
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Old 10-19-2013, 03:25 PM
 
Location: New England
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So, if God gave you a direct order to kill, you would not follow God's order?
Do you justify killing someone because you believe God ordered you to? . At the very least you need to use more wisdom about sharing such beliefs openly. You could find yourself in a whole lot of trouble.
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Old 10-19-2013, 03:56 PM
 
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Do you justify killing someone because you believe God ordered you to? . At the very least you need to use more wisdom about sharing such beliefs openly. You could find yourself in a whole lot of trouble.

Are you a child?

We are discussing 3000+ year history here.
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Old 10-19-2013, 04:04 PM
 
Location: New England
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Are you a child?

We are discussing 3000+ year history here.
No, you are discussing killing someone at the command of God in year 2013.
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