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Old 06-30-2016, 10:52 PM
 
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If the sword were to pass through the land.
Do you guys even know how to converse in plain English without all the woo and symbolic crap????
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Old 06-30-2016, 11:37 PM
 
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"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7: 12)



Imagine if everyone only ever did what they would have others do unto them? It's hard to imagine, I know, but consider how much the whole world would be changed!
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Old 07-01-2016, 01:36 PM
 
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Do you guys even know how to converse in plain English without all the woo and symbolic crap????
I appologize. I'll try to articulate more.

I didn,t realize I came off as woo and symbolic.
Being abstract is fault of mine. Especially when thinking out loud

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Old 07-01-2016, 01:43 PM
 
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Joel 3


Proclaim this among the nations: Prepare a war; rouse the mighty men! Let all the soldiers draw near, let them come up! 10Beat your plowshares into swords And your pruning hooks into spears; Let the weak say, "I am a mighty man."


Isaiah says just the opposite, '' And he will judge between the nations, and will decide concerning many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning-hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.''


Which is it?


Prepare for a war, ROUSE THE MIGHTY MEN!
Seasons?
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Old 07-03-2016, 02:26 PM
 
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"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7: 12)



Imagine if everyone only ever did what they would have others do unto them? It's hard to imagine, I know, but consider how much the whole world would be changed!
Hmmm...I'll give you my wife because I want you to give me yours...How's that work for ya?...
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Old 07-03-2016, 02:28 PM
 
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Do you guys even know how to converse in plain English without all the woo and symbolic crap????
Aren't as smart as you thought you were, huh?....
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Old 07-03-2016, 02:42 PM
 
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Seasons?

Joel is about the two seasons, the two rains, the two comings of the Lord.




I like the prophet Joel above all prophets I suppose, what Joel does is unique in that he takes scriptures from all the other prophets and he puts them together, and the most interesting view he gives is his reversal of what Isaiah had said concerning the nations.


This would be one of most well known images where the swords are beaten into plowshares, and the whole would becomes interested in the God of Israel.


8th century B.C.E.


Isaiah 2


The Mountain of the Lord
1The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
2And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
4And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
5O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.




Notice how Joel reverses what Isaiah had said about 300 years later{my estimate}.




Joel 4


The Lord Judges the Nations
1For, Lo, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
2I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land. 3And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.
4Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head;
5Because ye have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried into your temples my goodly pleasant things:
6The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border. 7Behold, I will raise them out of the place whither ye have sold them, and will return your recompence upon your own head: 8And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the LORD hath spoken it. 9Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:


10Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
11Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.




12Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.
13Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.
14Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
15The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.
16The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

So what are we waiting for?


A time of beating plowshares into swords, or a time for beating swords into plowshares?

I think the religion of God of Israel has been raised up above the mountains and you will find people from every country in support of Israel, and even if you don't agree with what all the gentiles believe, many of them would grab the garment of a Jew and say,'' Teach me, let me go up to the mountain of the Lord with you.''


So I am waiting a time of beating plowshares into swords, and it's funny cause you look at the united Nations building that quotes Isaiah 2, they should be quoting the opposite in Joel 4 in my opinion, but then they are the nations to be judged in Joel.




I think Isaiah has already happened and I am waiting on Joel 4.


Joel 4 isn't just another war, it is the very last war and it put's you with a lot of prophesies talking about this same thing when God has brought up all the nations, the entire world and has judged them accordingly to how they treated Judah.


Joel 4
2I will gather all the nations And bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat. Then I will enter into judgment with them there On behalf of My people and My inheritance, Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; And they have divided up My land.


This has never happened and when it does happen, there will be no more war.


When Isaiah 2 was written in the 8th century B.C.E. the whole world was not interested in Jerusalem or the God of Israel, but now the whole world is interested in Jerusalem and the God of Israel, or at least we have two other religions which stem from the law and the prophets and even though they may not be in God's religion per say, Jerusalem has still been raised up in it's place and Jerusalem has become a cause to all people.


The Locust come.



The Army of Locusts~~Revelation



1Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
2A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
3A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
4The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.
5Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.
6Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.
7They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:
8Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.
9They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.
10The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
11And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
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Old 07-03-2016, 02:48 PM
 
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"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7: 12)



Imagine if everyone only ever did what they would have others do unto them? It's hard to imagine, I know, but consider how much the whole world would be changed!
That's the truth aint it.


But imagine if Christianity and Islam decided to go back to their roots. Both began with Passover, Pentecost and the feast of Tabernacles and all 3 had the same Sabbaths.


Holy days, Sabbaths and feasts are what separates us all, and God would have us become one in my opinion. This wouldn't seem like such a hard thing for Christian or Muslim, and if we all had the same Holy days in Common, there would be peace. If only Christianity came back to the feast days of Jesus, this world would not be the same and even if a Jew wanted to join the Christians, he couldn't. Only the Christians can return.


The first king of Israel changed his worship system because he didn't want Jerusalem being the Holy city for his people, and so he built other Holy cities. Constantine and Mohammed did the same thing as the first king, but all began the same, and if just one of them return, it would be a new world.


Wouldn't it be funny if Islam returned before Christianity?
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Old 07-03-2016, 10:03 PM
 
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If you went by their devotion to their god, they already have surpassed churchianity. How many do you know that pray 3 times a day without fail? If someone blasted a call to prayer in a town here, the residents would blast THEM, lol....Peace
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Old 07-04-2016, 07:13 PM
 
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The Ten Commandments.
The Ten Commandments of the Old Testament are not equal to the commandments that teach us the gospel, there are big differences. I'll give an example: The Old Testament tells us:

"Keep the Sabbath day to sanctify it, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee. Six days thou shalt labor, and shalt do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: thou shalt not do any work therein, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maid, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, neither any of thy cattle, nor the stranger that is within thy gates: that thy manservant and thy maid may rest as well as thou". (Deut. 5: 12-15).

On the contrary, the Gospel tells us:

"Jesus said unto him, Rise: take up thy bed, and walk. And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and the same day was the Sabbath. The Jews therefore said to him that was made whole, It is the Sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed. He answered them, He that made me whole he said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk" (John 5: 8-11)

"And therefore the Jews did persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the Sabbath day. But Jesus answered them, My father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him: not only because he had broken the Sabbath: but said also that God was his Father, and made himself equal with God"(John 5: 16-18)


Jesus did not respected and not fulfilled those laws about the Sabbath written in the Ten Commandments the Old Testament, and it is because Jesus Christ was God and those Old Testament laws were not God's law.

COMMANDED GOD THAT MEN WERE SLAVES OF OTHER MEN?

Commanded God that men were slaves of other men?

The 10 Commandments of the Old Testament's laws, about slaves, also say:

"Thou shalt not desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field or his manslave or his maidslave, his ox or his ass or any thing that is thy neighbour's" (Deutoro. 5: 21).

This commandment is contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ in the Gospel. Jesus Christ said to a man who had great wealth:

"Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go, sell that thou hast, and give it to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven, and come, and follow me" (Matthew 19: 16-22)

According to the Old Testament commandment, I should not desire anything from my neighbor although I do not have anything, and my neighbor can wish all things what have their neighbors, and even their lives, taking them as slaves ... This commandment is a contradiction in itself and completely contradicts what Jesus says in the Gospel: "You will love your neighbor as yourself".


Is not equal say to those living in poverty they not should desire anything from those with great wealth than tell those who have great wealth sell all what they have and give all what they have to the poor. And this is the great difference between the commandments of the Old Testament and the commandments of the Gospel.

If I should not desire anything that belongs to my neighbor (as says the tenth commandment of Jewish law), then my neighbor should not wish to have his neighbor as slave, BECAUSE HE WANT TO REMOVE THE FREEDOM TO HIM... And freedom is a treasure that belongs to every man, then we remove a great treasure that belongs to him (freedom).
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