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Old 05-14-2018, 04:49 PM
 
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When I mention death sentences I mean many commandments many commandments written in many parts of the Old Testament that ordered men to apply death sentences and make wars.

But about slavery, in the "ten commandments" of Exodus, there are commandments that allow men to have slaves. Jesus did not teach the commandments that are written in the ten commandments of the Old Testament that allow to have slaves.

The Ten Commandments of the Old Testament are not equal to the commandments that teach us in the gospel, there are big differences. I'll give an example: The Old Testament tells us:

"Keep the Sabbath day to sanctify it, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee. Six days thou shalt labor, and shalt do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: thou shalt not do any work therein, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maid, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, neither any of thy cattle, nor the stranger that is within thy gates: that thy manservant and thy maid may rest as well as thou". (Deut. 5: 12-15).

On the contrary, the Gospel tells us:

"Jesus said unto him, Rise: take up thy bed, and walk. And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and the same day was the Sabbath. The Jews therefore said to him that was made whole, It is the Sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed. He answered them, He that made me whole he said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk" (John 5: 8-11)

"And therefore the Jews did persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the Sabbath day. But Jesus answered them, My father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him: not only because he had broken the Sabbath: but said also that God was his Father, and made himself equal with God"(John 5: 16-18)

Jesus did not respected and not fulfilled those laws about the Sabbath written in the Ten Commandments the Old Testament, and it is because Jesus Christ was God and those Old Testament laws were not God's law.

Commanded God that men were slaves of other men?

The 10 Commandments of the Old Testament's laws, about slaves, also say:

"Thou shalt not desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field or his manslave or his maidslave, his ox, or his ass , or any thing that is thy neighbour's" (Deutoro. 5: 21).

This commandment is contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ in the Gospel. Jesus Christ said to a man who had great wealth:

"Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go, sell that thou hast, and give it to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven, and come, and follow me" (Matthew 19: 16-22)

According to the Old Testament commandment, I should not desire anything from my neighbor although I do not have anything, and my neighbor can wish all things what have their neighbors, and even their lives, taking them as slaves ... This commandment is a contradiction in itself and completely contradicts what Jesus says in the Gospel: "You will love your neighbor as yourself".

Is not equal say to those living in poverty they not should desire anything from those with great wealth than tell those who have great wealth sell all what they have and give all what they have to the poor. And this is the great difference between the commandments of the Old Testament and the commandments of the Gospel.

If I should not desire anything that belongs to my neighbor (as says the tenth commandment of Jewish law), then my neighbor should not wish to have his neighbor as slave, BECAUSE HE WANT TO REMOVE THE FREEDOM TO HIM... And freedom is a treasure that belongs to every man, then we remove a great treasure that belongs to him (freedom).
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Old 05-17-2018, 10:16 AM
 
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WHICH IS THE LAW OF GOD?


The Old Testament? The New Testament? Or the Gospel?...

The commandments of the Gospel, are very different to the commandments of the Old Testament, for all the commandments of the Gospel are merciful, but many Old Testament commandments commands death sentences, wars and slavery.

The Law of God taught by Jesus Christ

"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7:12)

What God wants is the mercy

"If you had known what this means, I want mercy and not sacrifice, you wouldn’t have condemned the innocent" (Matthew 12:7)

Jesus commanded to forgive seventy times seven:

"Then Peter came and said: Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Till seven? Jesus said: I tell you, not seven times, but seventy times seven." (Matthew 18 :21-22)

Jesus speaks to the pharisees about the Law

When the Pharisees heard that Jesus had left the Sadducees speechless, they met together. One of them, a legal expert, tested him. Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? He replied, “You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your being, and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You must love your neighbor as you love yourself. All the Law and the Prophets depend on these two commands” (Matthew 22:34-40)

Jesus teaches to a rich man, the precepts of the Law

"And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19:16-22)

These are the commandments of the Gospel, which are very different to the commandments of the Old Testament, for all the commandments of the Gospel are merciful, but many Old Testament commandments commands death sentences, wars and slavery.

So which is the law that the Christians must follow?

The law that Jesus CAME NOT TO ABOLISH is the GOSPEL'S LAW


Jesus Christ commanded preach only the Gospel
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Old 06-07-2018, 06:14 PM
 
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Hannibal, You did not answer me:


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I don't think you and porque understand biblical slavery. The laws of slavery are not written for slaves and masters, they are laws for the slaves of Christ who decide to stay in his house.


A Jew would come to another Jew BEGGING that Jew to take him as a slave, and what he is IN FACT saying is this,'' Please take me into your house because I have nothing and I cannot take care of myself, please house and feed me and I will be your servant.''


To take a slave was saving somebodies life, and the slaves very rarely chose to leave,........
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But after being saved, they should be treated in the same way that those who had saved them wanted to be treated, to fulfill the commandment: "you shall love your neighbor as yourself". Therefore, eclavitud is contrary to the commandment: "you shall love your neighbor as yourself"

Slavery is not to Jesus' liking, that is why Jesus told the apostles that they should do as He did, that He did not come to be served:

"Jesus called them together and said," You know that the rulers of the nations tyrannize and their great ones are tyrants over power. Among you there must not be so, but if any of you wants to be great, be your servant, and whoever wants to be first, be servant of all, in the same manner as the son of man is not come to be served but to serve and give his life a ransom for many" (Matthew 20: 25-28)
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Old 06-08-2018, 07:20 AM
 
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WHICH IS THE LAW OF GOD?


The Old Testament? The New Testament? Or the Gospel?...

The commandments of the Gospel, are very different to the commandments of the Old Testament, for all the commandments of the Gospel are merciful, but many Old Testament commandments commands death sentences, wars and slavery.

The Law of God taught by Jesus Christ

"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7:12)

What God wants is the mercy

"If you had known what this means, I want mercy and not sacrifice, you wouldn’t have condemned the innocent" (Matthew 12:7)

Jesus commanded to forgive seventy times seven:

"Then Peter came and said: Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Till seven? Jesus said: I tell you, not seven times, but seventy times seven." (Matthew 18 :21-22)

Jesus speaks to the pharisees about the Law

When the Pharisees heard that Jesus had left the Sadducees speechless, they met together. One of them, a legal expert, tested him. Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? He replied, “You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your being, and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You must love your neighbor as you love yourself. All the Law and the Prophets depend on these two commands” (Matthew 22:34-40)

Jesus teaches to a rich man, the precepts of the Law

"And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19:16-22)

These are the commandments of the Gospel, which are very different to the commandments of the Old Testament, for all the commandments of the Gospel are merciful, but many Old Testament commandments commands death sentences, wars and slavery.

So which is the law that the Christians must follow?

The law that Jesus CAME NOT TO ABOLISH is the GOSPEL'S LAW


Nothing has changed with regard to the Law.

The Old Covenant and the New Covenant are essentially the same thing. The words of the writer of the initial post are irrelevant in so far as they deem the death penalty for sin as something difficult or uncomfortable to consider. It's the truth nonetheless. God has spoken. His word does not change nor is it altered by time, aberrations of doctrines of demons or the objections of a corrupted debauched human society. The Kingdom of God is not a democracy.

God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind.
Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?
- Numbers 23:19

Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. - James 1:17

The world likes the good things God gives, but it hates His righteousness and His Law that says the wages of sin is death. Therefore, the worldly minded person spends a lot of energy trying to wiggle out of the inevitable - that God has a Law and that God enforces it by means of death.

Somewhere somehow some day the penalty for sin must be paid - one way or the other. This is the purpose of the Law - to define and convict of sin as well as to provide grace unto salvation. Apart from the Law no one can be saved. This is why Jesus said He didn't come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it. (Matt 5:17)

Sooner or later, like it or not, sin will end for everyone - either by salvation and sanctification in the hearts and lives of those who've surrendered to Christ or by the Second Death for those who haven't. Make no mistake, sin will come to an end one way or the other.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LICENSE TO SIN.

If the Law doesn't change, nor has it been abolished, then what's the new thing ADDED by the New Covenant?

Here's a bit of Biblical trivia for you to consider. Moses ascended Mt. Sinai on two occasions to receive the Law. [Actually He schlepped up and down about eight times, but we're only considering the 10 Commandments at this time.] First set of tablets - (Exodus 31:18) Second set of tablets - (Exodus 34:28) This episode recorded in the book of Exodus is what scholars call an object lesson. What was it's purpose?

Why twice?
Why two sets?
What did God add to the second set?

The two sets of tablets of the Law were a foreshadowing or prophetic object lesson for the future plan of divine redemption of humanity. It foretold the Old and New Covenant as well as the substance of each.

1. - There were ten commandments on the first set of tablets.
2. - There were ten commandments and a promise of God associated with the second set of tablets.


The promise of God unto Moses is the same addition we see in the New Covenant also granted to gentiles. All subsequent revelations to the prophets of Israel expanded and illuminated this promise. The Ten Commandments were the Law - requirements of God as to how His chosen people were to live. The new promise that accompanied the second set of tablets was a unilateral promise or covenant of God, not dependent upon any act or failure to act by humanity.

The promise, the New Covenant, has to do with the person of Emmanuel - God with us. Upon receiving the second set of tablets of the Law, God also promised Moses that He would personally accompany the Hebrew people in their daily lives. But the old covenant was insufficient and temporary with regard to payment for sin. A permanent solution was needed and provided by God Himself when He died upon the cross. The New Covenant is that those who accept Jesus as Lord and Savior would have God live with them and within them SO AS to keep the Law forever after in their lives.

The 10 Commandments applies to Jew and gentile alike.

Jewish traditions apply to Jews for the most part, although many of them are no longer necessary or are observed. Rabbis refuse to admit to the reasons why, so they insist upon continuation of obsolete requirements that have been fulfilled in Christ. Fulfillment of the Law's requirements isn't the same as abolition. The Law still stands for those who have not availed themselves of the mercy it provides in Christ Jesus. Payment of the penalty the Law requires is not the same thing as abolition of the Law itself. Paying for our sins is what Jesus meant when He said He came to fulfill the Law.

The Law provides for a substitute payment for the penalty of sin as well as a terrible penalty upon those who refuse to accept the substitute God has provided.

St. Paul and St. Peter uttered lengthy discourses about which Laws and traditions were expected of gentiles and which were not. For instance, it's ok for a gentile to eat a bacon cheese burger at McDonald's but forbidden to the Jew who has to be satisfied with adding tomato, onion, lettuce, pickle, ketchup, mustard, sesame seed bun and secret sauce to his burger. Is the lack of fake cheese and artificial bacon, which are mostly chemicals anyway, a real sacrifice?

The penalty for sin is the Second Death. Whining about the Law won't make it go away. Quite the contrary, the Law also provides a way to satisfy its demand that a death should be paid. Jesus is the payment for those who will accept Him.

- The Temple as a Pattern for Spiritual Life and Law -

The Law required Hebrews to go to the temple and make a sacrifice for sin. Payment for sin did not happen automatically for the Hebrews. Neither does it happen automatically for gentiles. Jew and gentile alike must present themselves to God and offer sacrifice. The first thing a Jew encountered upon entering the temple courtyard was the altar upon which the sacrifice was presented. The first thing a gentile encounters with God is the cross upon which the sacrifice for sin is accomplished.

The next thing encountered in the temple was the Lav where the Jews washed themselves. The next thing a gentile encounters is sanctification which cleanses sin (washes the feet) of the gentile believer.

Finally, near the west end of the courtyard is the Holy Place where the priest entered once a year. Inside the Holy Place is the candle stick (menorah), the table of showbread, the incense altar and the veil providing the final separation before encountering God. When Jesus died the veil was torn in two from top to bottom thus allowing humanity direct access to the throne of God.

Inside the Holy of Holies was the Ark of the Covenant and inside the Ark was to be found the second set of the tablets of the Law. Grace thus provides justification and sanctification (separation unto God) and grace leads us back to the Holy of Holies where we discover the LAW once again.

The Law isn't abolished.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft.....

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Old 06-08-2018, 07:25 PM
 
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Nothing has changed with regard to the Law.

The Old Covenant and the New Covenant are essentially the same thing. The words of the writer of the initial post are irrelevant in so far as they deem the death penalty for sin as something difficult or uncomfortable to consider. It's the truth nonetheless. God has spoken. His word does not change nor is it altered by time, aberrations of doctrines of demons or the objections of a corrupted debauched human society. The Kingdom of God is not a democracy.

God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind.
Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?
- Numbers 23:19

Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. - James 1:17

The world likes the good things God gives, but it hates His righteousness and His Law that says the wages of sin is death. Therefore, the worldly minded person spends a lot of energy trying to wiggle out of the inevitable - that God has a Law and that God enforces it by means of death.

Somewhere somehow some day the penalty for sin must be paid - one way or the other. This is the purpose of the Law - to define and convict of sin as well as to provide grace unto salvation. Apart from the Law no one can be saved. This is why Jesus said He didn't come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it. (Matt 5:17)

Sooner or later, like it or not, sin will end for everyone - either by salvation and sanctification in the hearts and lives of those who've surrendered to Christ or by the Second Death for those who haven't. Make no mistake, sin will come to an end one way or the other.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LICENSE TO SIN.

If the Law doesn't change, nor has it been abolished, then what's the new thing ADDED by the New Covenant?

Here's a bit of Biblical trivia for you to consider. Moses ascended Mt. Sinai on two occasions to receive the Law. [Actually He schlepped up and down about eight times, but we're only considering the 10 Commandments at this time.] First set of tablets - (Exodus 31:18) Second set of tablets - (Exodus 34:28) This episode recorded in the book of Exodus is what scholars call an object lesson. What was it's purpose?

Why twice?
Why two sets?
What did God add to the second set?

The two sets of tablets of the Law were a foreshadowing or prophetic object lesson for the future plan of divine redemption of humanity. It foretold the Old and New Covenant as well as the substance of each.

1. - There were ten commandments on the first set of tablets.
2. - There were ten commandments and a promise of God associated with the second set of tablets.


The promise of God unto Moses is the same addition we see in the New Covenant also granted to gentiles. All subsequent revelations to the prophets of Israel expanded and illuminated this promise. The Ten Commandments were the Law - requirements of God as to how His chosen people were to live. The new promise that accompanied the second set of tablets was a unilateral promise or covenant of God, not dependent upon any act or failure to act by humanity.

The promise, the New Covenant, has to do with the person of Emmanuel - God with us. Upon receiving the second set of tablets of the Law, God also promised Moses that He would personally accompany the Hebrew people in their daily lives. But the old covenant was insufficient and temporary with regard to payment for sin. A permanent solution was needed and provided by God Himself when He died upon the cross. The New Covenant is that those who accept Jesus as Lord and Savior would have God live with them and within them SO AS to keep the Law forever after in their lives.

The 10 Commandments applies to Jew and gentile alike.

Jewish traditions apply to Jews for the most part, although many of them are no longer necessary or are observed. Rabbis refuse to admit to the reasons why, so they insist upon continuation of obsolete requirements that have been fulfilled in Christ. Fulfillment of the Law's requirements isn't the same as abolition. The Law still stands for those who have not availed themselves of the mercy it provides in Christ Jesus. Payment of the penalty the Law requires is not the same thing as abolition of the Law itself. Paying for our sins is what Jesus meant when He said He came to fulfill the Law.

The Law provides for a substitute payment for the penalty of sin as well as a terrible penalty upon those who refuse to accept the substitute God has provided.

St. Paul and St. Peter uttered lengthy discourses about which Laws and traditions were expected of gentiles and which were not. For instance, it's ok for a gentile to eat a bacon cheese burger at McDonald's but forbidden to the Jew who has to be satisfied with adding tomato, onion, lettuce, pickle, ketchup, mustard, sesame seed bun and secret sauce to his burger. Is the lack of fake cheese and artificial bacon, which are mostly chemicals anyway, a real sacrifice?

The penalty for sin is the Second Death. Whining about the Law won't make it go away. Quite the contrary, the Law also provides a way to satisfy its demand that a death should be paid. Jesus is the payment for those who will accept Him.

- The Temple as a Pattern for Spiritual Life and Law -

The Law required Hebrews to go to the temple and make a sacrifice for sin. Payment for sin did not happen automatically for the Hebrews. Neither does it happen automatically for gentiles. Jew and gentile alike must present themselves to God and offer sacrifice. The first thing a Jew encountered upon entering the temple courtyard was the altar upon which the sacrifice was presented. The first thing a gentile encounters with God is the cross upon which the sacrifice for sin is accomplished.

The next thing encountered in the temple was the Lav where the Jews washed themselves. The next thing a gentile encounters is sanctification which cleanses sin (washes the feet) of the gentile believer.

Finally, near the west end of the courtyard is the Holy Place where the priest entered once a year. Inside the Holy Place is the candle stick (menorah), the table of showbread, the incense altar and the veil providing the final separation before encountering God. When Jesus died the veil was torn in two from top to bottom thus allowing humanity direct access to the throne of God.

Inside the Holy of Holies was the Ark of the Covenant and inside the Ark was to be found the second set of the tablets of the Law. Grace thus provides justification and sanctification (separation unto God) and grace leads us back to the Holy of Holies where we discover the LAW once again.

The Law isn't abolished.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft.....
Pretty good post as far as I can see. It is extreemly important for a person to learn who he is through the design of the temple that he is. To know the temple and it's comings and goings is to know thyself.

Messiah comes writing the laws of God in one's heart, and there be many people that say the law is abolished and that Jesus brought a new law, but everyone who says this is silent when you ask them to show you the supposed new laws..........The law and the prophets stand alone and everything else was written to learn the true essence of the law and the prophets. Paul was always angry and perplexed at Gentile converts because they didn't study the law and prophets fast enough or long enough for Christ to even be formed in them , and he said they were still his babies on milk UNTIL such a time came after very much study of the law and the prophets that Jesus would finally be formed in them. Sadly, so many Christians wont study the law and the prophets because the law has been rejected for so long through so many centuries that it is hard to even get people to study. If I begin speaking of the beauty of the law and it's spiritual meanings, it usually isn't even accepted then...

O, my bad just rambling, I meant to just ask a question.......

"'You sure Moses only went up to the mountain twice instead of 3 times?''
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Nothing has changed with regard to the Law.......
That is not true, because the commandments that Jesus commanded to keep, command love, mercy and forgiveness for all. Instead, many precepts of the Old Testament commanded harm and kill people, and Jesus Christ abolished those mandates because they were precepts of men.
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That is not true, because the commandments that Jesus commanded to keep, command love, mercy and forgiveness for all. Instead, many precepts of the Old Testament commanded harm and kill people, and Jesus Christ abolished those mandates because they were precepts of men.
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That is not true, because the commandments that Jesus commanded to keep, command love, mercy and forgiveness for all. Instead, many precepts of the Old Testament commanded harm and kill people, and Jesus Christ abolished those mandates because they were precepts of men.
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MysticPhD, thanks for your answer. I'm glad you understand what I'm saying. There are very few who understand it.
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......... there be many people that say the law is abolished and that Jesus brought a new law, but everyone who says this is silent when you ask them to show you the supposed new laws..........
The Law that Jesus came not to abolish is the Law of the Gospel

The Law that Jesus came not to abolish, from which shall pass not one jot or one tittle, is the Law of the Gospel, which is the true Law of God. But Jesus Christ abolished many commandments of the Old Testament (Matthew 5:31-48, Matthew 12:1-8, John 5:8-11, John 5:16-18, John 8:3-11 and the whole context of the Gospel). And He abolished them because weren't God's commandments, but precepts of men.

The Gospel says: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets.... one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law" (Matthew 5:17-20) .


In these words are based many religions to tell us that Jesus Christ came not to abolish the commandments of the Old Testament, but that is a mistake because these gospel words do not refer to the law of the Old Testament, because Jesus Christ abolished many commandments of the Old Testament, as we see in Matthew 5: 21-48 and other parts of the Gospel.

The words of Jesus Christ in this famous verse (Matthew 5: 17), which tells us that He did not come to abolish the Law and the Prophets, refers to the true Law of God, which is the Law that Jesus Christ himself taught us in the Gospel. Jesus Christ teaches that the law and the prophets that He did not come to abolish is the following:

"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7: 12) .

Therefore, this is the law that God gave to Israel because Jesus Christ himself says that "this is the law and the prophets". This is the law that remains in effect, that Jesus Christ came not to abolish ("Think not that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets"). And of this law did pass "not one jot not one tittle", of the Law that Jesus Christ teaches us in the Gospel and that is the true Law that God gave to Moses.

Now I also remember the Law of Jesus Christ expressed in commandments, as the Gospel teaches:


"And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22

And this law and these commandments are in effect for all peoples.

However, no one is under the laws of the Old Testament that were abolished by Jesus Christ, because those laws were not true Law of God, but precepts of men. We are all under the Law and the commandments of Christ, which are the only true Law of God.
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The Law that Jesus came not to abolish is the Law of the Gospel

The Law that Jesus came not to abolish, from which shall pass not one jot or one tittle, is the Law of the Gospel, which is the true Law of God. But Jesus Christ abolished many commandments of the Old Testament (Matthew 5:31-48, Matthew 12:1-8, John 5:8-11, John 5:16-18, John 8:3-11 and the whole context of the Gospel). And He abolished them because weren't God's commandments, but precepts of men.

The Gospel says: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets.... one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law" (Matthew 5:17-20) .


In these words are based many religions to tell us that Jesus Christ came not to abolish the commandments of the Old Testament, but that is a mistake because these gospel words do not refer to the law of the Old Testament, because Jesus Christ abolished many commandments of the Old Testament, as we see in Matthew 5: 21-48 and other parts of the Gospel.

The words of Jesus Christ in this famous verse (Matthew 5: 17), which tells us that He did not come to abolish the Law and the Prophets, refers to the true Law of God, which is the Law that Jesus Christ himself taught us in the Gospel. Jesus Christ teaches that the law and the prophets that He did not come to abolish is the following:

"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7: 12) .

Therefore, this is the law that God gave to Israel because Jesus Christ himself says that "this is the law and the prophets". This is the law that remains in effect, that Jesus Christ came not to abolish ("Think not that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets"). And of this law did pass "not one jot not one tittle", of the Law that Jesus Christ teaches us in the Gospel and that is the true Law that God gave to Moses.

Now I also remember the Law of Jesus Christ expressed in commandments, as the Gospel teaches:


"And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22

And this law and these commandments are in effect for all peoples.

However, no one is under the laws of the Old Testament that were abolished by Jesus Christ, because those laws were not true Law of God, but precepts of men. We are all under the Law and the commandments of Christ, which are the only true Law of God.
The commandments that Jesus teaches us in the Gospel are the commandments that were really given by God in the time of Moses
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